Comment by esafak

21 hours ago

K2.5 was already pretty decent so I would try this. Starting at $15/month: https://www.kimi.com/membership/pricing

edit: Note that you can run it yourself with sufficient resources (e.g., companies), or access it from other providers too: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k2.6/providers

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pbowyer  20 hours ago

What's the privacy/data security like? I can't find that on that page.

Edit: found it.

> We may use your Content to operate, maintain, improve, and develop the Services, to comply with legal obligations, to enforce our policies, and to ensure security. You may opt out of allowing your Content to be used for model improvement and research purposes by contacting us at membership@moonshot.ai. We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law.

Section 3 of https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/modelUse?version=v2

  • pixel_popping  20 hours ago

    You really rely on ToS from Anthropic/OpenAI to know if they use your prompts or not? It's on their servers, why wouldn't they use our data?

    • veber-alex  13 hours ago

      Antropic and OpenAI are used by US businesses and government and they are audited and under contracts.

      If it's discovered they trained on data they shouldn't have had it will be the end of their business.

      On the other hand, good luck suing a Chinese company.

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  • deaux  20 hours ago

    Yup, they train on your inputs and OpenRouter is complicit by claiming that Moonshot's ToS says that they don't. Contacted OpenRouter about this a while ago and was met with silence because it's bad for their business to stop lying about it.

SwellJoe  19 hours ago

"sufficient resources" is going to be a lot of resources. I doubt this will run on even something like a Strix Halo or DGX Spark, even at 1-bit quantization. You'll need a 256GB or 512GB Mac Studio, or a monster GPU situation, to run it locally, I think, though quantized versions aren't showing up yet, to be sure.