Comment by ttul
18 hours ago
Am I being paranoid in questioning whether the CPC would have something to gain by monitoring coding sessions with Chinese coding AI models? Coding models receive snippets of our intellectual property all day long. It's a bit of a gold mine, no?
I think you should worry more about NSA, FBI, ICE and other 3 letter US agencies monitoring your sessions
There's nothing anyone can do about state-level espionage anywhere, using any cloud-hosted service. That being said, there is a very big difference between the legal situation in the United States vs. China. Chinese internet companies are required to have CPC interaction and since the rule of law does not strictly exist in China, the state can compel surveillance cooperation regardless of what might be written down. If a three-letter agency is compelling Anthropic to open up its queries for inspection, that kind of surveillance would be authorized by law and if Anthropic violated the law in cooperating, they would suffer the consequences in civil court. Maybe not immediately, but at least the possibility exists.
In China, there's no recourse at all. Surveillance must be presumed.
> the rule of law does not strictly exist in China, the state can compel surveillance cooperation regardless of what might be written down
While I agree that China is obviously worse in this regard, it's naive to claim this is unique to China, when literally a couple of months ago the US got into a fight with Anthropic about them not removing safeguards which were already just enforcing the letter of the law.
Rule of law in the US - are you kidding yourself?
When American citizens are being gunned down in public on cameras by US federal government agents, you are telling me that the US follows the rule of law?
Before you start to offer more propaganda, just tell me where is the killer of Renée Good, has that killer been arrested or charged yet? Keep your censored version of rule of law to yourself and your kids.
oh, btw, the current US President did got convicted for criminal offences, he walked away for free just because he got elected as the president. nice rule of law! what did he do recently - authorised illegal war against another country in which over 100+ school children got killed. Surely your fancy US rule of law is going to do something about this?
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Are there any protections from industrial espionage when using Anthropic, Cursor, Gemini, or OpenAI?
There are legal protections, and those companies have more to lose by breaking those laws than following them. Same probably not true for Chinese companies.
Legal protection, only if you're a billionaire and US citizen, for everyone else there is no protection.
Does US actually follow laws? They literally kidnapped head of another state and bombed another state and you are expecting legal protection from them?
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