Comment by ogig

I've heard it quite a bit before, but mostly from second-language speakers whose first language don't have impersonal third-person pronouns - e.g. French uses "il" or "elle" for all of "he", "she" or "it".

It doesn't help that the marketing leans heavily on anthropomorphizing LLMs either, IMHO.

It's not weird if it comes from ESL. At least in portuguese there's no "it" equivalent for pronouns or any other neutral artifact in the language, in other words, everything has a gender, even an AI model, the same goes for objects e.g.: knife(she), fork(he), spoon(she), plate(he).

People often commit mistakes regarding that, the same way we don't have "they" as pronoun to someone we don't know the gender, so we address to these people as "dele(dela)" (masculine and feminine pronouns).

But if this is coming from someone who has english as a primary language it's definetely weird to treat models as person

As a native German speaker, I have also referred to a chatbot in English as "he", and similar to you, a native English speaker, felt jarred by it. It was definitely not out of any personification or humanization though. In German, I would say it is "der Chatbot" (from "der Roboter"), which in German is a male noun so I would refer to it as "er" (the male pronoun) - which in my head I autotranslated to "he". Most of the time, though, I think of it (and refer to it) as an LLM, which is "das Sprachmodell" (neutrum), so I automatically translate it to "it".

So that's another, maybe more harmless reason for it.

I recognise I am revealing a different type of ambient misogyny in my thinking, but choosing to gender an LLM as feminine gives me “I played tomb raider because I enjoy looking at women” vibes. Like somehow “she” is more of a conscious choice than “he” and comes with all the baggage of all cultural differences between genders, when neither choice should do that.

Curiously though I don’t get the same sensation when technologies are gendered by other people. I honestly don’t recall thinking about it when Apple released Siri. (Now I’m second-guessing myself and wondering if I should’ve reacted negatively towards feminine being the default for someone in a personal assistant role.)

I wouldn't read too much into it, it's natural for non native speakers. In Spanish for example, objects have grammatical gender as well, so it's easy to slip.

Well Claude was named after Shannon

It is common amongst French, Dutch etc speakers where saying "it said x" sounds unnatural.

Reminds me of the main character of the show Mrs Davis. She insists on calling the ai it through the entire show.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14759574/

Time for claudette to make an apperance!

There's an analyst at my job who calls it "he", who is a native English speaker himself, which I guess is because it's "Claude" (as in Claude Shannon) Code.

That's what I felt when I heard that the god of abraham was a he.

I mean we have all met that one cretin who will discuss over chat by pasting bulletpoints from an LLM. No wonder some of them think it is a living person!

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> No judgment

Yes judgment. Loads of it. Judge away.

This is just bizarre. Do not refer to this product of marketing-technology as you refer to a person. EVER.

Same I purposefully have a number of over ambitious project out of distribution entirely to test so failure mode, mostly games, when one works, well I gained a new game. Can't wait for my 10 player battleship game on a 100x100 grid to be functional.

No, I don’t think we anywhere near that future.

I’d love to see your attempts at this. I think we’re close to something vaguely resembling this at a first glance but nothing that actually works.

I don’t think Godot is any worse than other engines inherently, other than it moving forwards pretty quickly and the latest versions not being in the training data.

I wanted to evaluate which engines would be the best for working with LLMs in and it seems like Flax and Stride kind of come out on top - the former has a lot of stuff out of the box (including terrain) and the latter is all C# basically which is great for debugging. But either way, the source code for both of those makes the functionality a bit easier to track down compared to Godot (which is a lot more complex internally).

So what I do now is have both the engine source code locally alongside the docs and when I want to implement something with AI I just tell it - look at the docs, then at the source if needed, write tests for our code, if something doesn’t work then edit the engine source code in our branch and use the provided convenience script to rebuild the engine (both of those are also pretty fast, I ended up settling on Flax, plus the component model is closer to Unity which I like).

I don’t ask the AI to create scene files though, or any sort of visual assets, but rather stuff like RTS/simulation code. I don’t think any AI is that well optimized for the 3D work outside of simple proof of concept setups.

I had very few issues, sometimes I had to direct CC to the godot docs and we could keep moving. Specifically the tile configuration was a "read the docs" moment. All the functionality is available through code, so nothing CC can't reach afaik. Is there any LLM oriented game engine?

I have taken many stabs at it and Claude will produce stuff but the output is very far away from useful. E.g. "I've created a road and beautiful trees" and what I see is a mess of colors and shapes.

Are any LLMs suited at directly modifying game scene/asset/prefabs for any engine?

do you think so? For me Godot works well with LLM. Unity in another hand, is ill-designed to work with LLM..

How snarky. You are conflating friendship with admiration for the effectiveness of newfound tool. If it's the "he" that triggers you, feel free to replace with "it". It's just a second-language artifact.