Comment by kwar13

9 hours ago

Related, if you haven't seen the TV show Chernobyl, I could not recommend it highly enough!

For a TV series the TV show Chernobyl was pretty accurate. For those who watched the the TV show, I recommend to also see an interview with an actual Ukrainian medical responder and radiation expert who was working in Chernobyl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1GEPsSVpZY

Probably the best non-technical book on the Chernobyl disaster is the book "Chernobyl: The History of a Nuclear Catastrophe" by Serhii Plokhy. It describes not only the accident, but also the whole soviet system and political, economical decisions which led to the resulting catastrophe.

The most comprehensive technical report is INSAG-7 The Chernobyl Accident - IAEA. https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub913e_web.p...

  • No, the show is not accurate. The last episode repeats the lies that Legasov told at the IAEA meeting in 1986, that were published as INSAG-1, and the show completely ignores INSAG-7. There was no drama in the control room, no indications that anything was wrong with the reactor, no power spike before AZ-5 was pressed.

    • How does it make sense that the show ignores INSAG-7 when the whole plot point about the design of the control rods increasing the reactivity isn't from INSAG-1 but from INSAG-7? The same with the plotline about this defect being known, but kept from the operators. And Legasov lying about all this at the IAEA meeting? All-in-all INSAG-1 paints a picture of operator failure, INSAG-7 paints a picture of systemic failure and the show paints a picture of systemic failure.

      And to nitpick: INSAG-7 doesn't disagree with INSAG-1 about the power rising just before AZ-5. From page 8 of INSAG-7: "When the turbine was tripped, the four pumps it was powering began to slow down as the turbine speed was reduced and the associated generator voltage fell. This reduced rate of core flow caused the void content of the core to rise and caused an initial positive feedback of reactivity which was at least in part the cause of the acci- dent." (page 8) This happens ~30 seconds before AZ-5 is pushed.

      The same event described in Table I on page 21-22 of INSAG-1, with the part deprecated by INSAG-7 marked with {}:

      01:23:04 {The personnel blocked the two-TG trip signal.} Emergency stop valve to the turbine was closed. The reactor continues operating at a power of 200 MW(th).

      01:23:10 One group of automatic control rods start driving out

      01:23:21 Two groups of automatic control rods begin reinsertion.

      01:23:31 Net reactivity increasing with subsequent slow increase in reactor power.

      01:23:40 Operator pushes AZ-5 button (reactor trip).

      The textual description on page 25 of INSAG-1 isn't much different: "When the emergency stop valve to the turbine was closed, the steam pressure began to rise. The flow through the core started to drop because four of the main cooling pumps were running down with the generator. Increasing pressure, reduced feedwater flow and reduced flow through the reactor are competing factors which determine the volumetric steam quality and hence the power of the reactor. It should be emphasized that the reactor was then in such a state that small changes in power would have led to much larger changes in steam void, with consequent power increases. The combination of these factors ultimately led to a power increase begninning at about 01:23:30."

      A scanned copy of INSAG-1: https://ilankelman.org/miscellany/chernobyl.pdf

      The Soviet report to IAEA in 1986: https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/...

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It is silly how the show depicted Dyatlov as an arrogant sargeant behaving like a bully in American series about mid school kids.

This alone sets the tone of a TV show that needs to have clear goodies and baddies, and obviously life is never that simple.

  • I have seen real world adults behave that way. Including multiple managers. The real world Dyatlov being verbally abusive is something the show has taken from the real world.

    And before someone goes on about cultural difference, there are several high profile examples of American leaders/directors/business men acting in openly abusive ways.

    • "Verbal abuse" isn't a concept that existed in the Soviet Union. Giving or receiving instructions with as many "suka blyat" inserted between each word as possible wasn't abnormal.

    • >, there are several high profile examples of American leaders/directors/business men acting in openly abusive ways.

      What an out of touch statement.

      Have you ever worked in a restaurant or on a construction site?

      Nothing the ruling class or their useful idiot cronies does publicly even approaches what's not considered abuse in those contexts.

This. Also, Higginbotham's "Midnight in Chernobyl" is brilliant prose about the disaster, from the run-up through to the aftermath. At times, it reads more like a thriller (and a fast-paced one at that!) than prose.

  • Higginbotham uses Medvedev's book as a source. Medvedev worked in the Ministry of Energy and he was their special representative in Chernobyl after the incident. His task was to cover the asses of the ministry and the reactor designers, so this book invented a lot of "facts" to put the blame on the operators, Dyatlov and Fomin.

I also recommend Voices from Chernobyl by Svetlana Alexievich, some of people the characters from the book are even present in the TV series.

I thought the show was horrible. It was moralistic, quite on the nose, and the dialogue was pretty corny. There were a lot of obvious appeals to your average NYT and Atlantic type viewer, which is surely the main factor behind its critical acclaim.

  • I found the dialog fairly realistic. Maybe because I grew up in a similar country - it sounded like real world people talk.

    Also, events and actions were close to how reality unfolded with simplified cast of characters, basically.

    • Simplified characters and strongly amplified and invented extra drama and events.

    • I worked in the soviet nuclear industry (Sredmash) in the 1980s.

      The dialogs and characters are completely unrealistic and made me cringe. Everyone looks overemotional and infantile.

      The hierarchical interactions are comical - a minister would never go to talk to miners, he would just phone a subordinate and tell them to organize people, they don't need armed soldiers present to enforce something, it is not the Wild West. The authors have no clue about the soviet mentality and how soviet society operated.

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