Comment by oefrha
20 hours ago
> If you were a Mercor contractor and you believe your voice may already be in circulation, ORAVYS will analyze the first three suspect samples free of charge.
Awesome, if you're a victim of an AI company having your voice, you can help yourself by sending another AI company your voice!
> Audio is never used to train commercial models without explicit consent
I'm sure Mercor has explicit consent as well, legal teams are reasonably good at legally covering their asses with license terms.
The irony runs deeper than the free analysis offer. The whole Mercor contractor relationship was this exact pattern: hand over studio-quality voice recordings and ID scans to get paid for data labeling work that didn't require either. "Explicit consent" was buried in the terms, and people clicked through because they needed the paycheck.
Now 40k people have learned that biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice.
You can rotate your voice with substantial effort. Just speak differently: higher or lower pitch, a different accent. Your friends may look at you funny for the first few years.
> biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice.
"My voice is my passport. Verify me."
I have to renew my passport every 10 years or so. How do I do that with my voice? I guess it's time to take some vocal lessons.
Reminds me of the Interrail data breach [https://stateofsurveillance.org/news/eurail-data-breach-3080...]
The fediverse take on that was "customers are advised to rotate their faces and birthdays."
Vocal lessons are both a lot of fun and a lot of work. I haven't been using any voiceprint systems but I know most humans are unable to tell that my trained voice is the same physical person as my old voice. Would be curious to find out if an AI voiceprint system can discern whether it's the same or not.
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>> "My voice is my passport. Verify me."
Well met, fellow Uplinker!!
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Biometrics are "what you are", not "what you know" or "what you have".
Voice fingeprinting is essentially useless because it is easily recorded and reproduced.
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just take up smoking heavily
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Smoke 40 cigarettes a day, your voice will be unrecognisable in no time
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> Now 40k people have learned that biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice.
The problem is that even if you know that, you still get bombarded by banking apps promising "biometrics are more secure than passwords, switch now!"
This comment is pure LLM.
I feel like we're right on the threshold where we give up and start interacting with slop like it's human written.
I doubt 1% of the 40k will learn anything.
also this took me way too long to realize it had nothing to do with warhammer.
> Now 40k people have learned that biometrics aren't passwords. You can't rotate your voice.
Voices aren't strong.
There just aren't that many unique characteristic parameters behind a voice - it's largely dictated by an evolutionary shared shared larynx and vocal tract. They aren't fingerprints.
The fact that human voice impersonation is not only widely possible but popular should give you an indication of this. Prosody, intonation, range, etc. - it's all flexible and can be learned and duplicated.
The signals are simple too, because we have to encode and decode them quickly. You may or may not be able to picture and rotate an apple tree in your head, but you can easily read this sentence in the voice of David Attenborough.
Moreover, you can easily fine tune a voice model to fit any other speaker. You can store the unique speaker embeddings in a very thin layer. Zero and few shot unseen sampling can even come close to full reproduction. You can measure this all quantitatively.
Voices are not, and never have been, fingerprints. They're just not that unique.
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I think "CYA" is maybe a misleading or overflowery term.
In the idealized world, the legal system is meant to provide an accessible alternative to violence for reconciling disputes, but it's increasingly wielded as an impossibly kafkaesque system meant to maintain corporate power over individuals.
I think "CYA" is an overly-flowery term for the reality that they're blocking every avenue for legal recourse, while a variety of other avenues still exist for which adding friction requires the maintenance of expensive and ongoing costs (owning multiple residences, hiring security, etc.)
(To be clear, I am advocating for a more accessible and level legal system, not for UHC-style violence.)
I'm taking some college courses, and one of them explicitly suggests to keep maybe-not-okay communications off of email so that "you don't expose your company to risks of litigation."
Ah, I see. So, when discussing ways to ensure cuatomers cannot utilize our warranty process, I'll make sure to do so in ways that are not traceable and won't show up in discovery.
The underlying reason is that employees don't always know what they're talking about, but their nonsense could be useful to the other side in a court case.
The bigger the company, the more speculation there is about stuff people don't actually understand.
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The general rule for email, text, and all other communications I've heard is: "Don't write anything that you wouldn't be comfortable seeing on the front page of the New York times."
Heard that first from a US mil commander who once ran for a minor political office like state rep.
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> In the idealized world, the legal system is meant to provide an accessible alternative to violence for reconciling disputes, but it's increasingly wielded as an impossibly kafkaesque system meant to maintain corporate power over individuals.
This is an overly flowery way of saying: violence.
The worst of the consequences are the same. People end up dead, destitute, and/or with long-term health consequences and are unable to enjoy the fruits labor in the worst cases. In the milder cases i think i'd prefer a bruise for a week to a huge financial loss.
There are plenty of nonviolent extralegal options. Ranging fron sit-ins and protests, to destruction of property, to many examples in the CIA's subtle sabotage field guide like running meetings poorly.
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Per the WSJ article last week, I suspect Mercor's playing in a grey area of contracts. It wasn't just voice.[0]
A lot of people were basically wiretapping themselves AND their businesses!
While a lot of Mercor "contractors" claim Mercor over-reached with data gathering via Insightful, it's kind of smart because people are too afraid to complain too much knowing they'll not only lose their primary job, but also open themselves up to uncapped liability for willful misconduct.
[0] https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/mercor-ai-startup-personal-data-...
Reminds me of my experience when trying to remove my Airbnb account, they require my ID card scans of both sides. I said fuck it and never touch this company again
Quickly, extract some more money from this customer and hold their data hostage!
This reminds me of those identity theft settlements, where you need to prove your identity to claim the reward
I remember an AI dataset tool asking candidates to record a 1 minute self intro video for interview purposes in 2022. I was wondering if they were manually watching all of them.
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Selling the solution to the problem you caused ought to be illegal.
> Selling the solution to the problem you caused ought to be illegal.
Most tech solutions are built on the problems they created. This includes phones, cars, computers, every software upgrade, and almost every electronic gadget. You are forced to use them because the world around you is no longer compatible with the way of life that was before the introduction of these tech.
I probably agree with you but what on earth are phones and cars doing in this list? They solve obvious physical problems not caused by a company.
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This would eliminate the credit report, monitoring and fixing industry, which would be a good thing.
Court records are public in the US. If creditors want to know if you’ve been in financial trouble, they should check for bankruptcies and lawsuits, not the extrajudicial version of those that the credit reporting companies run based on hearsay.
Credit reporting is better in some ways than alternative systems of “vouching” for someone.
It’s not better in all ways, of course, but the alternative is not “everyone gets cheap credit extended to them” but rather “people who rich people know and trust get cheap credit extended to them, some others get more expensive credit, and some get no credit extended”. It’s not obvious to me that that’s better.
This reminds me of all the new companies that want to "help" you get your public information out of $CORPORATE hands; as if these companies will some how not succumb to either enshittification or breach.
The good thing about the grift economy is it grifts itself, like the turtles!
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