Comment by carbocation

21 hours ago

Last month, Steve Yegge suggested that they are not: https://xcancel.com/Steve_Yegge/status/2043747998740689171

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NitpickLawyer  20 hours ago

> He says the problem is that they can't use Claude Code because it's the enemy, and Gemini has never been good enough to capture people's workflows like Claude has, so basically agentic coding just never really took off inside Google. They're all just plodding along, completely oblivious to what's happening out there right now.

This is a bunch of gabagoo. Wrong on so many layers, it's not even worth reading further.

a) goog has agentic coding in both antigravity & cli forms. While it is not at the level of cc + opus, it's still decent.

b) goog has their own versions of models trained on internal code

c) goog has claude in vertex, and most definitely can set it up in secure zones (like they can for their clients) so they'd be able to use claude (at cost) within their own projects.

  • aleksiy123  18 hours ago

    Agreed, however imo there is def some problems unique to Google which is making the internal experience less than ideal.

    Hoping they can figure it out sooner rather than later.

stormbeard  20 hours ago

Demis Hassabis chimed in on that thread and called it what it is: clickbait.

  • typs  20 hours ago

    I’m not so sure. From talking to some of my own friends at google they feel that antigravity/gemini models are handicapping them and would much rather be using claude code (which only deepmind gets to use)

    • beanard  20 hours ago

      Sure, but there's cavernous distance between "google = john deere" and "darn I have to use Gemini"

HardCodedBias  14 hours ago

He was entirely correct.

He made a follow up after the pushback by GDM.

Google’s businesses are very broad and durable. But Google being the only company in the world without access (except for GDM+labs) to a competent coding agent will take a toll.

We’ll see how long Google can hold out hoping for GDM to create something that is competitive.

I’m guess that within 6 months Google will give up on coding and finally let their devs use Claude/Codex.

This isn’t a security problem, this is a GDM issue with GDM’s promises being far beyond their ability.

  • antonvs  3 minutes ago

    > But Google being the only company in the world without access (except for GDM+labs) to a competent coding agent will take a toll.

    I doubt it. I use Gemini CLI daily because Gemini is what work pays for, and I have a personal Claude account. The difference is not that great, especially if you're not doing full vibe-coding. It's unlikely to have the kind of effect you're describing.

FrustratedMonky  20 hours ago

There is value in the "eating your own dog food".

If internal staff aren't happy with the tools they build, typically that should drive improvements to their own tools