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Comment by mukmuk

8 hours ago

Isn’t this illegal?

In the United States (where most Cloudflare employees work):

    > The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older.

To answer your question: Probably not. Even so, it is incredibly hard to prove workers 40 and older were laid off as a result of age discrimination.

  • > Even so, it is incredibly hard to prove workers 40 and older were laid off as a result of age discrimination.

    The only way for this to happen is by leaked private conversations, I think.

  • So you can’t be discriminated against if you’re less than 40, but that seems somewhat discriminatory (maybe you wanted to be), but that means that you are being discriminated against, but that’s meant to be forbidden.

    I sense a paradox.

Only if you're dumb enough to leave a paper trail showing that's what you did.

  • It seems it would be easy to show a pattern.

    • You would need some class action lawsuit I’d think? Need a good number of laid off people to join it and you need solid statistics that would convince a jury more than the corporate lawyers would with whatever HR covered their assess on paper have.

Just your average Thursday in American capitalism!

  • Should companies be forced to retain talent of a certain age group? Should they be forced to retain less competent people? How do you expect this to work?

    • In Sweden,the Employment Protection Act, (LAS ) mandates 'last in - first out', meaning if there are layoffs due to over-capacity, people with seniority (years of employment) take priority for available positions. This is kind of partioned by profession-group, so yes you can fire nurses but keep doctors, or other way around. (Its been a while since I looked into it, but thats the rough gist of it)

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    • China is hiring engineering talent. US is firing. Nobody forces anybody to do anything. Just pointing out the current state of affairs in the long life cycle of empire. As Ray Dalio says US is very late stage declining „financial capitalism”. While China is early stage aspiring „production capitalism”. It is not like late stage declining USSR needed as many engineers as it did when it wasnt collapsing. USA is a collapsing empire. China is growing.