Comment by eqvinox
1 day ago
If this goes wrong even in the slightest, the ridicule about a drug dealer getting high on their own supply will be neverending and grim.
1 day ago
If this goes wrong even in the slightest, the ridicule about a drug dealer getting high on their own supply will be neverending and grim.
not enough people are emotionally prepared for if it’s not going wrong even in the slightest
It's going to work for the most part. Most people know that. It's a file by file, mostly function by function, conversion from one low level language to another with a very large test suite (with lots of Rust unsafe to work around differences). I've done that for C tools and it's fine, with some obscure edge cases here and there. The challenges are going to be making the new, very ugly, alien codebase idiomatic Rust in future and adding features or debugging the complex issues. I wish the developers luck. They're in for a slog.
Just to clarify, you did this for C tools using LLMs or using deterministic conversion tools?
I think given the novelty of this, a lot of eyes will be on it, so a lot of issues will be dealt with out of the gate. The problem will be when smaller projects that aren't in the spotlight think it's safe too and then do stuff like this after being encouraged by bun, and for those projects then lots of bugs will just remain unfixed. Basically a nation state adversary's wildest dreams came true today.
If that scenario happens it just means the collapse will be slower but still inevitable as anecdotes pile up and reach critical mass of common knowledge.
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Having seen some of the diffs, it's already going wrong in my view.
If most of the glaring problems are addressed (massive unsafe usage), and metrics show improvement (less crashes), then did it really go wrong? The fact the code is not idiomatic is less interesting, because that can be addressed incrementally. Let's wait 3 months and reflect.
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Curious can you elaborate on this?
It will not go wrong in obvious ways, LLMs are actually not that bad for language translation, and they have big test coverage; any issues will be non obvious. The question will be more long term maintainability, how fast will the whole thing collapse.
However, you can never prove that it hasn't gone wrong, because there are so many long-form problems with software (quiet bugs, maintainability issues, etc). This creates FUD.
I expect it will be just fine. It's like bragging about getting the words right on a mental health exam. AI was given the answer, it just repeated it back in a slightly different format. Even a stupid human could have done that.
> AI was given the answer, it just repeated it back in a slightly different format.
Ridiculous.
Wasn't looking at leaked Claude Code source already enough for the ridicule?
I mean, that's just startup culture shipping half-baked duct-taped "products".
Reengineering a well-used open source project… that's proper hubris territory, if you do it poorly enough.
It's outside their "zone of absolute terror", to put it in anime references. Any argument against them while inside their domain is countered by their apparent success; as much as it pains me, the shit code did deliver enough. Not so when they step outside that domain, Bun was delivering before.
Idk, my entire career (15 years) has been startups and I have never shipped stuff that looked like that. We’ve shipped ugly but not that. It’s clear claude code is a vibe coded mess if you look at the source.
they are already high on their own supply
did you read their Mythos paper? they're anthropomorphizing it like crazy. Maybe it's just cheap heat, but if they really believe the LLM is conscious..wew