Comment by IdiotSavage
6 hours ago
Guys, this is not replacing your favorite station, you don't have to listen to it. It's an experiment.
If you scroll down a bit, there are various audio snippets of interesting dialogue the models produced. I think it's interesting to see in which ways the models fail and that they actually produce some good stuff once in a while.
> this is not replacing your favorite station
My favorite radio station was replaced years ago by an automated playlist. They just kept playing the same 5-6 songs that were popular on the station in the 1990s.
It was fun for about 2 hours before I realized the station was devoid of all the personality that made it worth listening to when I was younger.
The playlists of nearly all radio stations are far too short for me. I finally just quit listening to the radio.
Comcast has a bunch of channels with various music categories. They all repeat after about 2 days. So much for that.
With all the zillions of songs available, I don't get why they do that.
You've got to find the rare radio stations with public support and human djs. kexp.org is a great one based out of Seattle with a wild variety of shows and decades of history. Are all the shows to my taste? No. Have I ever heard something being played that was total crap? Honestly, maybe? Because there's genres I don't know enough to gaugue quality, but I haven't twigged to it.
Money probably? That's the number of song licensed to maximize profit without hurting 80% listeners.
My local: https://threedradio.com/
("My" meaning local to me, not that it belongs to me)
My first thought when I saw the headline was, "Did anyone even notice a difference?"
It’s like people don’t realize that the “hits” played on radio are entirely manufactured by the music industry. They literally provide lists of songs for the radio station to play that month in order to generate interest so that then people either go play or buy or whatever those songs making them more likely to reach #1 that month. It’s entirely manufactured and people try to point to it as being “real” radio. It’s why you are only likely to hear this months new hit and one or maybe two of the previous month or two “hits” from the same artist in the rotation, if they are popular enough with the focus groups to be promoted. (Outside of their older songs.) Then they play it on repeat to make people think they like it, because everyone else is liking it and it’s making its way to number one!
People are so easily manipulated and then they will go argue with others about it.
(Point of clarification, that’s not to say people can’t like songs. However, if I gave you a hundred similar songs from unknown artists and didn’t tell you which is which, it’s questionable whether people would have any interest in said popular song.)
You should find some better radio stations. There are tons of independent stations the play excellent non top 40 music and have been for years.
This is like saying the the movies that people like are manipulated but only focusing on what is played at big box theaters.
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Radio stations are like baseball games. I listen for all the unusual moments, not the core baseball game. That’s actually the filler.
Experiment: "We got AI to do things and it did weird stuff sometimes".
Brilliant! Amazing! I'm glad ~4 years down the line we're still re-discovering Ha Ha Funny Output.
At this point I think many of us are similarly exhausted by this sort of trite exercise. I really don't need some VC backed startup to show me this sort of output any more, especially when the output in question is obviously boring and substandard.
> I'm glad ~4 years down the line we're still re-discovering Ha Ha Funny Output
Four years or forty millennia? So a certain extent, all whimsical art is “haha funny” result.
Yea what are they trying to test? Where is the hypothesis?
They're trying to test if it's good enough to replaced the few remaining paid radio/streaming DJs yet.
I am reminded of how not even 2 weeks ago we had an “experiment” of rewriting Bun in Rust.
From the article "Knitting bullshit" discussed in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48032461 :
> Inception Point AI, on the other hand, is a slop factory employing just 8 people which, according to Anne, publishes "about 3000 podcast episodes per week, hosted by AI personalities." Anne tells Jamie, that, to date, Inception Point AI’s podcasts have accumulated "12 million lifetime downloads. And we’re averaging about 750,000 downloads a month." (...) no one checks or edits the podcast content– but, Anne tells Jamie blithely, this really doesn’t matter because the topics under discussion are so low stakes.
Perhaps this specific iteration of this specific idea is not replacing my favorite station, but people with a very similar concept are definitely trying to do exactly that.
How is this any worse than I Heart Radio? You can have your radio experience pushed to you by a major corporation, or an LLM.
If iHeartRadio is your testible standard for radio stations than we have lost as a society.
iHeartRadio is not doing anything. A person at iHeartRadio is doing the work. Even if it’s automated, at some point a person handled it.
A person at IHeartRadio is doing the work the corporation tells them to do. do you think they want to play Hotel California on loop all day long?
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The only way that anyone be worried about this slop replacing actual good human run radio is if they don't understand why people like radio & music in the first place.
And what hypothesis exactly is the experiment testing? Because it doesn't really seem like there is any new or interesting information learned from this.
I think you're talking about some Platonic ideal that just doesn't exist anymore.
Streaming services such as Spotify are increasingly filled with AI-generated songs and the average consumer doesn't seem to mind because we're not listening intently in the first place: it's just a background track we're not really paying attention to. I'm pretty sure that radio execs are looking at that and are taking notes.
For talk radio... if I had a penny every time someone on HN brought up that they're enjoying NotebookLM-generated slopcasts, I'd have a neat pile of coin. And I think it's the same story: most people listen to podcasts just to kill time. Soothing, zero-calorie LLM banter will do.
there's a whole world of wonderful radio that has been thriving for decades, completely different than Spotify or talk radio.
It's unfortunate that you haven't seemed to experience any of it, but I've personally loved over the years stations like KEXP, WPFW, Dublab, WUSC
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