Comment by yard2010
7 hours ago
Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, and not the current crooked and twisted hegemony we have now.
I'm not affiliated. Happy user.
The real hegemony is the Blink hegemony. Google (an advertising company) can pretty much unilaterally dictate web standards. A terrible state of affairs for the web. That's the real issue and using another Chrome reskin is never going to fix it.
This is the main reason I stay away from Vivaldi; using Firefox is, for all of Mozilla's borderline comical mismanagement, a protest vote against Blink (and previously, Chromium).
This is why I use Zen. All the benefits of Vivaldi, with the peace of mind supporting a Mozilla stack.
Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money.
Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.
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Vivaldi is almost certainly the best Blink browser, and I'd certainly use it if only Blink browsers were viable. As long as that's not the case, I am, like you, using something based on Firefox; in my case, Zen.
For those wondering...:
"Blink is a browser engine developed as part of the free and open-source Chromium project. Blink is by far the most-used browser engine, due to the market share dominance of Google Chrome and the fact that many other browsers are based on the Chromium code."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine)
I still can't really get behind the idea of a closed-source browser. Market dynamics aside, Chromium is at least open source (and if anything, most of the stuff that's bundled into the version of it that makes Chrome isn't particularly desirable to me anyhow). Firefox is not nearly bad enough for me to want to swap to a browser where the business model is the selling point.
It's closed source and chromium based, it's also really ugly looking IMO. The Android version also doesn't support addons so that's a huge fail. I'll stick with Zen.
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ lists
- Partner deals with search engines - Partner deals with bookmark partners - Partner deals through Direct Match - https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-v...
How are integrated ads and dispatch of user data to third-parties sustainable sources of income?
It's Chromium so I'll continue using Firefox
reposting here since I feel like this is a big deal and under reported.
beware, their sync will go down for weeks and you may lose all your data. https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1hgfmoh/vivaldi_s... https://www.reddit.com/r/vivaldibrowser/comments/1htf6l7/all...
Vivaldi for Android does not support extensions, making it a non-starter for me.
a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.
Furthermore I don't see a clear business model there that isn't about injecting ads.
Vivaldi has been doing exactly this for years now
Can I ask why?
For me, it's a privacy concern. Closed source means only one company is fixing vulnerabilities, whereas open source invites security researchers to find and fix issues quicker. Fewer security gaps == less privacy risk.
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like dude. do u have to?
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https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...
It's open in all of the ways that matter, basically they just want to protect their look and feel.
Some of their arguments are ridiculous.
> A new project based on our code might implement features that are fundamentally in opposition to our ethics (e.g., damaging to privacy, human rights or to the environment). Even though we would not be associated with the project in any way, it can deeply affect how people see Vivaldi (and how we see ourselves), damaging a reputation we have taken pains to earn.
> You can’t test drive open-source and then close everything back off if it turns out that open-source isn’t working out.
At the same time they express regret that the Presto engine from their Opera roots didn't get open-sourced. Which was much more novel than just a Chromium re-skin.
The entire article can be summarized as "we worry that others might make a better product off our code" and "can't be arsed to meet the quality standards of the free software community".
No thank you.
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I tried Vivaldi a couple of years ago and it was slow as fuck
The UI was written in Javascript I believe. At least a few years ago when I tried it. I was pretty happy with it except for the lag which made it unusable on my hardware.
It is very much in the spirit of the old Opera browser. I miss the days when software was trying to be as cool as possible instead of trying to be as lame as possible. (God what a concept!)
It's good to see someone still trying.
Nope, I don't use closed source browsers. Hell no.
I hope you try out zen browser as well, It is really customizable and with Ublock origin installed, It becomes one of the best browsers.
And it is built on firefox's web engine itself which imo is an added benefit compared to blink on which vivaldi is from, @AegirLeet's comments about Blink hegemoney is true but also there shouldn't necessarily just be one web browser engine imo and that too created by google (blink), one can criticize mozilla/firefox and that is true but you aren't limited to firefox, there are zen browser, floorp, librewolf etc.
I highly recommend you to test zen-browser if you haven't already!
I actively used Vivaldi for several months until recently - on my Mac it would intermittently crash for no reason I could find. I’ve since switched to ungoogled-chromium - it’s only a couple of weeks so it’s early days but so far it’s been very stable.
Sounds like a you problem. It never crashes on me.
I’ll try to take your comment in good faith. And of course - that’s the trouble with issues like these isn’t it? I did find some reports online of the same but when there’s no consistent way of making it happen, there’s no simple solution either.
I ran it with no extensions and out of the other chromium-based browsers I’ve tried it’s the only one where I’ve had crash issues.
> interests that reconcile with the user interests
How are you paying them? And have you done any network analysis on it recently (I really would like to know!)?
Closed source and based on Webkit? At least Brave is open source.
I’m pretty sure Brave and Vivaldi are both based on Chromium/Blink not WebKit.
Thanks, that's what I get for commenting before the coffee kicks in.
aids and cancer, seriously?