Comment by yard2010
6 hours ago
Guys use Vivaldi. It's a present. A browser that has a sustainable business model and interests that reconcile with the user interests - consume the web as god intended, with no literally aids and cancer ads out of the box. I switched a while ago from Firefox and while the UI is.. different, it's been a great experience. In my opinion this project and the great people behind it must be the leaders of this industry, and not the current crooked and twisted hegemony we have now.
I'm not affiliated. Happy user.
The real hegemony is the Blink hegemony. Google (an advertising company) can pretty much unilaterally dictate web standards. A terrible state of affairs for the web. That's the real issue and using another Chrome reskin is never going to fix it.
This is the main reason I stay away from Vivaldi; using Firefox is, for all of Mozilla's borderline comical mismanagement, a protest vote against Blink (and previously, Chromium).
Firefox is controlled opposition practically owned by Google. Follow the money.
Ladybird seems to be the only hope, once available.
For those wondering...:
"Blink is a browser engine developed as part of the free and open-source Chromium project. Blink is by far the most-used browser engine, due to the market share dominance of Google Chrome and the fact that many other browsers are based on the Chromium code."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(browser_engine)
I tried Vivaldi a couple of years ago and it was slow as fuck
https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-business-model/ lists
- Partner deals with search engines - Partner deals with bookmark partners - Partner deals through Direct Match - https://vivaldi.com/blog/privacy-without-compromise-proton-v...
How are integrated ads and dispatch of user data to third-parties sustainable sources of income?
It's Chromium so I'll continue using Firefox
reposting here since I feel like this is a big deal and under reported.
beware, their sync will go down for weeks and you may lose all your data. https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1hgfmoh/vivaldi_s... https://www.reddit.com/r/vivaldibrowser/comments/1htf6l7/all...
Vivaldi for Android does not support extensions, making it a non-starter for me.
a closed-source browser is a non-starter for me.
Can I ask why?
Furthermore I don't see a clear business model there that isn't about injecting ads.
Vivaldi has been doing exactly this for years now
https://vivaldi.com/blog/technology/why-isnt-vivaldi-browser...
It's open in all of the ways that matter, basically they just want to protect their look and feel.
Some of their arguments are ridiculous.
> A new project based on our code might implement features that are fundamentally in opposition to our ethics (e.g., damaging to privacy, human rights or to the environment). Even though we would not be associated with the project in any way, it can deeply affect how people see Vivaldi (and how we see ourselves), damaging a reputation we have taken pains to earn.
> You can’t test drive open-source and then close everything back off if it turns out that open-source isn’t working out.
At the same time they express regret that the Presto engine from their Opera roots didn't get open-sourced. Which was much more novel than just a Chromium re-skin.
The entire article can be summarized as "we worry that others might make a better product off our code" and "can't be arsed to meet the quality standards of the free software community".
No thank you.
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I actively used Vivaldi for several months until recently - on my Mac it would intermittently crash for no reason I could find. I’ve since switched to ungoogled-chromium - it’s only a couple of weeks so it’s early days but so far it’s been very stable.
Sounds like a you problem. It never crashes on me.
> interests that reconcile with the user interests
How are you paying them? And have you done any network analysis on it recently (I really would like to know!)?
aids and cancer, seriously?
Closed source and based on Webkit? At least Brave is open source.
I’m pretty sure Brave and Vivaldi are both based on Chromium/Blink not WebKit.
Thanks, that's what I get for commenting before the coffee kicks in.