> if you don't like that car/company, don't buy their product. buy competitors. that will show them much better.
I'm all for voting with my wallet, but it gets exhausting trying to be a few steps ahead. And then nothing guarantees that there won't be a rug pull once you bought the car.
> or petition to government to put pressure on them
Right. Not sure why you have to mention it, since everybody knows this works oh so well.
The problem is that all these T&Cs are just pages upon pages of legalese that not only nobody understands or even reads, but that also aren't exactly advertised before buying. "Buy our smart widget! It only works with its own app, and we'll only support it for a ridiculously short time! Please don't upgrade your phone, or it will stop working!"
Of course governments should do something about it, but even here in the EU, they don't seem too bothered. Hell, even people seem generally fine with it, judging by the number of crappy widgets they buy.
> if you don't like that car/company, don't buy their product. buy competitors. that will show them much better. (or petition to government to put pressure on them).
That maybe fine, but if something is allowed at the time I've bought the car, and then the manufacturer changes their policy such that the usage that I did is no longer allowed?
BTW, to me this is bullshit, first cars shouldn't be connected to the internet in the first place, in the case that they are, I would need to be in full control of what I can do with the API, not that I need to use special software to talk to my own car.
> something is allowed at the time I've bought the car,
good point. yet, I bet in their T&C it was covered. it was just not enforced. and usually they have claim like "if we fail to enforce any part of agreement does not constitue waiver.". so most likely it was expected all along, they were not technically adept to actualyl enforce this. now they can.
but, if your claim stands, I bet you can win case against them.
> if you don't like that car/company, don't buy their product. buy competitors. that will show them much better.
I'm all for voting with my wallet, but it gets exhausting trying to be a few steps ahead. And then nothing guarantees that there won't be a rug pull once you bought the car.
> or petition to government to put pressure on them
Right. Not sure why you have to mention it, since everybody knows this works oh so well.
The problem is that all these T&Cs are just pages upon pages of legalese that not only nobody understands or even reads, but that also aren't exactly advertised before buying. "Buy our smart widget! It only works with its own app, and we'll only support it for a ridiculously short time! Please don't upgrade your phone, or it will stop working!"
Of course governments should do something about it, but even here in the EU, they don't seem too bothered. Hell, even people seem generally fine with it, judging by the number of crappy widgets they buy.
true. on both accounts.
> if you don't like that car/company, don't buy their product. buy competitors. that will show them much better. (or petition to government to put pressure on them).
That maybe fine, but if something is allowed at the time I've bought the car, and then the manufacturer changes their policy such that the usage that I did is no longer allowed?
BTW, to me this is bullshit, first cars shouldn't be connected to the internet in the first place, in the case that they are, I would need to be in full control of what I can do with the API, not that I need to use special software to talk to my own car.
> something is allowed at the time I've bought the car,
good point. yet, I bet in their T&C it was covered. it was just not enforced. and usually they have claim like "if we fail to enforce any part of agreement does not constitue waiver.". so most likely it was expected all along, they were not technically adept to actualyl enforce this. now they can.
but, if your claim stands, I bet you can win case against them.
> cars shouldn't be connected to the internet
yep, same with you on this one.