Comment by SuddsMcDuff

7 hours ago

This could equally illustrate the difference between long established multi national companies with an overbearing corporate culture vs young upstart companies with a dynamic startup culture.

Yeah, this is just the difference between the "cash cow" and "question mark" companies on the BCG growth-share matrix. The Chinese companies will sooner or later turn into stodgy cash cows themselves.

I think you two are talking about the same thing. The overbearing corporate culture is the cause of valuing dress formality over performance and dynamicism.

The question is why doesn't Germany have any young upstart auto companies when the US and China do? The question being the rhetorical kind.

  • Extreme over-regulation/regulatory capture. If you do anything worth doing in Germany and one of the established players doesn't like it, they find some reason to arrest you or raid your company and shut it down. As a result, people are afraid of doing things unless there's an explicit government-approved path to doing that exact thing. You can open a restaurant because there's a process for opening restaurants, but if you want to do something off the beaten path, its a bad idea.

  • It's not like the US has that many either. It's not the kind of winner-takes-all network effects industry that attracts venture capital outside of the Musk reality distortion field.

    • >It's not like the US has that many either.

      Math was never my strong point, but AFAIK the "not that many" of the US is still a greater number than the zero of Germany.

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  • Access to capital, mostly. The US has always been willing to grant hefty amounts of taxpayer money to startups, something culturally foreign to Germany (startups are risky, Germans don't want taxpayer money to be spent on risky adventures that might bring losses) and the US also has dozens of billions of dollars a month in 401k pension savings making their way into the asset markets.

    And China, well, it's a dictatorship with effectively unlimited foreign currency reserves. They can do whatever they want.

    • > The US has always been willing to grant hefty amounts of taxpayer money to startups

      Care to elaborate? I was under impression that absolute majority of startups in US are fully funded by a (private) venture capital. There are (were?) some exceptions like tax reductions on "green" projects, but they were not restricted to startups/small companies in any way.

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    • >Access to capital, mostly.

      German auto makers were wealthier than the US auto makers. Germany's GDP is now third in the world. There is capital.

      >Germans don't want taxpayer money to be spent on risky adventures

      But they wanted it to be spent on Russian gas pipelines, foreign aid, anti nuclear activism, and in the pockets of politically connected multinationals like T-systems to build another "government digitalization project" while their internet speed lacks behind developing nations?

      >that might bring losses

      If they hate losses, why do they keep losing? Germany decline in past 15 years seems like its a self fulfilling prophecy. The more risk averse they are to avoid change or losses, the more they keep losing to economies who embraced change, disruption and risk.

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