Comment by DanieleSalatti
20 hours ago
> The problem is, for an overall worse experience, are you willing to pay 20-40% more?
This is subjective. For me: yes. It buys me a lot, repairability and not being in the apple ecosystem are two things I value enough that it makes sense for me to go with Framework. It flips it to an overall better experience.
Let’s not forget that Apple advertises paid subscriptions in notifications and settings pane alerts when you first buy the computer.
They offer free trials which you can’t cancel without immediately ending the trial. (E.g., you can’t turn off auto-renewing without forfeiting the trial)
A device that has ads and/or behavioral pushes to subscription services and costs $500 doesn’t really cost $500.
If they're just advertising those things when I first buy it then my annoyance is somewhere between negligible and $10.
- "Let’s not forget that Apple advertises paid subscriptions in notifications and settings pane alerts when you first buy the computer."
I've literally never seen an advert outside of a 3rd party app or website on any Apple device I've owned (many).
I just switched to an iPhone and I don’t know how this could possibly be the case for you. I get them from a bunch of Apple apps and even in the settings app.
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When you buy a new Apple device it comes with a trial for Apple subscription services. My iPhone 17 Pro came with a News+ trial.
If I didn’t cancel it it would charge me.
There was no way to turn off auto-renew without forfeiting the remaining trial period, which is a dark pattern to encourage accidental payments.
Mac devices also encourage things like documents in iCloud directly in settings which encourage migration to paid services.
By default, Apple apps like Music have notifications for subscriptions.
It’s not at the level of Windows 11 but it’s there when you’re really looking for it. Notifications in the system settings are not always critical update type of stuff, they are often semi-promotional.
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