Comment by alfiedotwtf

1 day ago

“Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance

> “Free Palestine” isn’t exactly fringe. In fact, outside America and Israel, I’d bet it’s the default stance

That's certainly not true in many European countries

  • > That's certainly not true in many European countries

    This suprised me. I’ve hunted for polling and can find plenty showing a plummeting opinion on Israel, but little on internal polling about a Palestinian state.

    • Polls are interesting. They depend exclusively on people willing to respond. Let me give you an example of how they don't tell the whole story:

      In the USA, there are many, many firearms. And there's also a small but very vocal cadre of people who would like to disarm the people. In light of this, if a pollster calls and asks for your opinion on guns, and/or inquires if you have any, a common response is to hang up without answering the questions, due to the possibility that the information will be used against them.

      The result? They call someone else, and don't count "declined to answer" in their results. So the poll simply is the prevailing opinion of those who wished to answer, and thus is skewed one direction. (BTW, this is why everyone says there are "at least XXX hundred million guns in America; the best they can get is a low estimate)

      This happens quite a lot with controversial topics.

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  • Why? This makes no logical sense.

    re the second response: Original commenter did not specify exlusivity to jews. So that's my assumption.

    • I’m Jewish and living in North America. I have no ability to affect Israeli policy, nor is my heritage an endorsement of it. If someone was yelling at me about Palestine because I am Jewish, I would be pretty offended, even though I probably agree with them.

      It’s the same as running up to a Muslim and screaming “stop terrorism”. Or running up to a black person and yelling “stop gang violence”.

      The action of yelling at a random person because they belong to an ethnic group that is the dominant party that is doing a bad thing in a different part of the world means you are inherently judging them for their race/ethnicity. It is a pretty good definition of racism.

      If you are yelling free Palestine at everyone, fine. If you are targeting your message at people because of their race, that’s just racism. The targeting is the issue, not the message.

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