Comment by diffs

1 day ago

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Lol. While of course Zionism was conceived also as a solution to the persecutions that Jews were facing in Europe, it was born within the European ideology of nationalist movements of that period (which gave birth to several of the European nations of today) and of colonialism- also a widespread and uncontroversial feature of the time. Nothing specifically bad about Zionism in this respect, it's simply a product of the ideas of its time.

All the rest, about Israel existence today, is irrelevant. We can recognize the mistakes of the past to at least understand how we got to this point and what's the best and correct way forward. It's not about reverting history but at least knowing it.

  • Biggest problem is that many strive to revert history in some sense. You can't just dismantle a country like Israel. Israel isn't going away without a genocide on the Jewish population.

    It's sad that there hasn't been any good faith decision makers for roughly 20 years. Everybody just fueling the conflict, making it miserable for everybody who directly faced the consequences. Lately, the mass murdering in 2023, followed by bigger scale killing / mass murdering.

    The terrorist group Hamas as well as Netanjahu and his fascist clique must both be removed for the people in the region having a chance of a peaceful live.

The creator of Zionism, Teodore Herzl was very clear that it was a colonial project dependent on ethnic cleansing:

> We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly. Let the owners of the immoveable property believe that they are cheating us, selling us things for more than they are worth. But we are not going to sell them anything back. (Theodore Herzl, 12 June 1895)