Comment by asdff

1 day ago

You should see what people were capable of in the darkroom, let alone before all this. You could always manipulate imagery ever since there was imagery to manipulate.

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Arodex  1 day ago

This is why:

- the whole roll of negatives was prime evidence;

- police forces were one of the biggest users of Polaroid instant film.

And moreover, who had a darkroom and the skills to edit substantially a picture?

Whereas here we have nobodies being able to generate pixel-perfect fake "evidence" from the computers they already have.

  • asdff  1 day ago

    Plenty of people. If you have running water, some tape, and trashbags, you too could have a darkroom.

    https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/objects/objects@exhibi...

    The roll itself can be manipulated too. Most of the techniques used in modern photoshop are basically 1:1 carry overs of darkroom processes. Layers, dodge and burn, masking, etc.

    There was a time you could take this class in highschool.

    • Arodex  20 hours ago

      You try to equate several days of work, specialized equipment (much more than water and trash bag: you need chemicals, baths, special paper, a projector, plates...) and knowledge with typing a text in a webpage.

      Have fun keeping making bad faith arguments alone.

  • themafia  1 day ago

    You can burn negatives. You can fake polaroids, really, just think about how a camera itself must operate and you'll see why instantly. Darkrooms used to be far more common before digital photography my Junior and High school both had them.

    What makes evidence "pixel perfect?" What digital photographs don't have to involve a chain of custody? Literally the first question the defense will ask is "how did you get this picture." If you say you pulled from a security system they can just go ask for the originals. This happens all the time.

    Where people are getting confused is it's almost never _one_ piece of evidence that's used to convict you; although, it may be a single piece of evidence which convinces your attourney to railroad you into a plea deal.

mukbangpervert  1 day ago

We've gone from highly skilled people being able to forge some specific photos and documents using substantial time/energy/resources, to any asshole being able to generate realistic full-motion video in minutes.

I get that there is a certain type of moron who thinks that the collapse in cost of misinformation has no harm... but all you've done is announce to the world that you are a moron.

  • asdff  1 day ago

    It is really not any different. People would throw a hubcap in the air and pitch it as a UFO photo and idiots would latch on to that. You could take a photo of the empire state building and use a double exposure to make it look like you were king kong. Kids were doing this sort of stuff. Stop motion home movies where you'd look like you were levitating or your head got cut off.

    It always comes down to provenance.