Comment by makeitdouble

4 hours ago

I can't think of any such event where the issue came down to having a list or not.

We can see a similar thing happening with ICE raids: do they have clean and tidy lists? No, they're supposed to know what they're doing, but in practice they're just going after anything they want, anyone that crosses their path, and they don't stop at any specific criteria. We had testimony of arrest quotas, and random people shoved in to clear the numbers.

There will always be a convenient target when the point is cruelty.

[edit: rephrased last part]

Do you really think handing the loaded gun to the chimpanzee is ethically ok, and the same as if you didn’t?

The reason ICE is flailing around is because the information we are talking about doesn’t exist. They’re changing data gathering to collect it.

That is literally the point.

  • To my eyes the chimpanze's "loaded gun" is the actual guns and the impunity to use them, and they're pulling the trigger because they can. Having accurate lists would be more of a painted targets instead of randomly shooting in the pack. Basically the kind of people shor would be different, but someone would still be shot.

    I'd argue that raiding the data center is theatrical more than anything, and they're not flailing by lack of data, hundreds of arrest have been made at each major raids.

    I'd look at this piece with both aspects: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/23/maine-immigr...

    On the surface there is this talk about immigration status..We try to draw a somewhat reasonable narrative that makes sense, and I get the sentiment.

    The witness comments consistently tell another story though:

    > “The book and the movie do not line up,” Joyce told reporters on Thursday. “We’re being told one story, which is totally different than what’s occurring.”

    > “It is clear the overall operation is anything but targeted,” said Sue Roche, ILAP’s executive director. “People are being racially profiled on the streets and in their cars. As is their playbook, ICE is doing everything they can to inflict maximum cruelty and chaos.”