Comment by 383toast

10 hours ago

not much talent is going from US to Canada, it's almost always the reverse if you look at top canadian universities

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plaidthunder  9 hours ago

US citizen moves to Canada on a CUSMA visa:

  - 30-50% pay cut

  - points and lottery based immigration system that penalizes them for each year you age after 30

  - frequent unfavorable rule changes

  - fear of being trapped forever on a temporary visa and eventually sent back to the USA, poorer than their peers who stayed stateside.

Canadian citizen moves to us on equivalent CUSMA visa:

  - huge pay raise

  - retire back home wealthier than their peers and still enjoy socialized healthcare.

Canada's immigration system is just structurally tilted toward brain drain. It's all stick and no carrot.

  • joe_mamba  43 minutes ago

    >US citizen moves to Canada on a CUSMA visa: - 30-50% pay cut

    But what about "free healthcare". Don't americans want socialized healthcare over their despised privatized system?

    > - points and lottery based immigration system that penalizes them for each year you age after 30

    Many countries with socialized healthcare do this. They only want young people and don't want older people who are a risk at becoming a burden to the state before they paid a lot into the system. After a certain age or health status, many workers, even locals not just immigrants, start to become a net negative to the welfare state, consuming more resources in care than they contribute back, so you need a constant stream of young healthy workers to keep the ponzi scheme going.

    US being private healthcare doesn't give a damn since your health conditions are your own problem.

    >Canada's immigration system is just structurally tilted toward brain drain. It's all stick and no carrot.

    And yet they have record immigration rates, mostly from india. So it seems there's plenty of desperate people on the planet that don't even need a carrot, they prefer the Canadian stick because the situation back in their home is so much worse than the canadian stick.

    However, I do think that if you're relying on a stream of desperate people from all over the world to replenish your own brain drain because you manage to push away your most valuable people, then you're doing it wrong and it's not gonna be sustainable, you're just putting band aids on major structural issues to cover the rot, and eventuall y the piper will have to be paid.

    • rgblambda  11 minutes ago

      >Don't americans want socialized healthcare over their despised privatized system?

      I haven't lived in either country but as someone who lives in a country with socialised healthcare, it mainly benefits the older generations, as health issues begin to crop up nearer retirement.

      If a Canadian spends most of their working life in the U.S. then returns to Canada to raise their kids or to retire then they're getting the best of both worlds.