Comment by finales

8 hours ago

People can’t understand you can’t have both protecting the poor and not enforcing laws against the poor at the same time

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vicnov  4 hours ago

You can be poor and obey the law. You can protect the poor and enforce the law.

It is the weird identity politics is what gets in the way.

  • braiamp  4 hours ago

    There's a easier solution by crime caused by poor people: they stop being poor. The fact that nobody tried is the thing that should be studied instead.

    • mpyne  3 hours ago

      I grew up poor and that was never an inducement to commit crime. I took plenty of "food I didn't want" off my friends' hands at lunch in middle and high school, but never even thought of crime.

      Although my parents weren't rich they still tried to teach right from wrong, respect for others and all the rest.

      And not to put too fine a point on it, but there's plenty of examples of rich assholes who act as if money makes them immune from justice.

    • Empact  3 hours ago

      There's abundant evidence against this belief:

        * Lottery winners do not commit less crime than those who do not win the lottery: https://www.nber.org/papers/w31962
  * Studies of identical twins adopted and raised apart shows that crime is more correlated with genetics than environment: 45% nature vs 18-27% nurture https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25936380/
  * "While individual study estimates vary, meta-analyses have suggested the level of heritability of antisocial behavior is approximately 40–60%. Shared environmental factors have been estimated to explain approximately 11–14% of the variance in antisocial/criminal behavior and non-shared environmental influences approximately 31–37%" https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6640871/
  * “Black men raised in the top 1 percent – by millionaires – were as likely to be incarcerated as white men raised in households earning about $36,000.” https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2018/03/19/race-class-debate/

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snovv_crash  3 hours ago

The poor are impacted by lawlessness far more than the rich. No private security or fancy neighbourhoods. Cutting down on actually harmful bad behaviour (and by this I mean dealers and muggers, not broken taillights) is the best thing you can do for poor people.

gacgacgac  3 hours ago

This is nonsense. You absolutely can have both -- typically by building systems to eliminate poverty and reduce income inequality.