Comment by lambdaone

2 hours ago

This is exactly what DMCA takedowns are actually for.

Ironically, the article points out that the original authors publisher actually put out two DMCA notices to google last year, apparently with no effect.

I guess DMCA takedowns are only for the big fish fighting the good fight against car pirates.

  • then DMCA the entirety of google and alphabet, and tender class action for direct and contributory violation, with the option to back it off to the literary work in question when goog takes a seat at the table and takes it seriously

  • Why aren't they suing Google in court? Now is the best time to do this politically, the site doesn't mention what state they live in but I'd doubt that you wouldn't be able to get a state AG to listen to you if you reached out.

    edit to add: Google has ignored all safe harbor protections, they would lose this protection and be held liable for all damages. This seems like a pretty solid win for the author here if they're telling the truth.

    • There are a lot of really solid reasons someone might choose not to sue one of the world’s most powerful corporations over their core business practices, even being completely in the right. Pretty similar to reasons someone might not call the cops on some mafiosos that are blocking your driveway while fencing a truckload of stolen electronics.

  • DMCA is no longer valid as the courts ruled that stealing literally everything on the internet was OK and a valid business practice.

  • Eventually almost every other regulation turns out to be one that benefits big players and doesn’t help smaller ones.

Speaking from experience, neither apple nor Google will enforce dmca takedown requests unless they come from the courts. Even when provided clear and direct evidence. Their position is "we do not arbitrate". I sort of get it but also the cost barrier to copyright infringement is headed to zero while the ability to protect your IP and enforce your copyright remains expensive. Wild times ahead.

And in this case, they didn't work. Perhaps Qontour, as a web-native dev firm, has figured out a blind spot in Google's DMCA takedown process?

DMCA to take down AI slop? I feel that is twice the mistake. DMCA should not exist in the first place. Neither should AI slop. Here we have AI stealing from people. AI is a thief.

  • So you're against copyright protection, but also against AI using copyrighted work? I can understand both of those positions separately, but how can you combine them in the same statement?

    • there are two different things — one can be against the idea of copyright property, or just copyright laws as written into the legal system, while holding the expectation these should apply to everyone equally

  • How do you suggest Qontour be held accountable for this blatant theft of Koenig's work and name if the DMCA is a mistake?

    And don't pass the blame off onto "AI" from the people who said "let's make a web site that totally steals this book we like". AI is a tool of thieves, founded upon thievery. Qontour is an agency made up of thieves who are using AI to perform their thievery.

    In fact let's go down their about page (https://www.qontour.com/about) and point some fingers:

    Gala Aranaga, Founder & CEO of Qontour, is a thief.

    Jason Chandler, Founder & Creative Director of Qontour, is a thief.

    Atif Fazil, Technical Director of Qontour, is a thief.

    Pemi Ogunkeye, Webflow Developer at Qontour, is a thief.

    Daniela Aranaga, Head of Content & Marketing at Qontour, is a thief.

    Ahmed Qayyum, Solutions Architect at Qontour, is a thief.

    Bukunmi Ogunmodede, Webflow Developer at Qontour, is a thief.

    Hassaan Rasul, Senior UX Designer at Qontour, is a thief.

    They used ChatGPT, a copyrightwashing tool developed in a massive act of thievery by the employees of OpenAI, all of whom are thieves. OpenAI was founded by Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Ilya Sutskever, Greg Brockman, Trevor Blackwell, all of whom are thieves.

  • What exactly did AI steal? The concept of clocks?

    AI is not involved in the actual copyrighted content at all.