Especially in the modern era where peoples' attention is particularly stretched thin, trying to get the average person to add another thing to be hyper-vigilant about is going to be a hard sell. People only have so many spoons.
Not sure why you shoehorned some antivax nonsense in there though.
> Sorry. You can refuse the covid vaccine, but that won't stop everyone else from blithly accepting it.
I agree with this part, but then, I personally don't have a problem with everyone else giving up their privacy.
> Then once the critical mass is reached, your ability to buy groceries can just be terminated. The 20% of the population that refuses just isn't important enough to matter.
Wut? Can you provide any information about a supermarket chain (or law affecting supermarket chains) anywhere in the world that prevents (or prevented) people who weren't vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter or buy groceries from those supermarkets?
Taking these age-assurance laws at face value, I don't have a problem with them, because I think algorithmically-personalised social media feeds are an intrinsically bad product and I don't see anything that any society would lose if they went away. My concern about these laws is how far politicians are willing to go to close loopholes like VPNs, because I think that's where the potential is to cause inadvertent collateral damage to systems that really matter.
What does getting the COVID vaccine have to do with surveillance or grocery shopping?
Where I live I simply queued up at the local vaccination centre, got vaccinated, and left. I probably had to show some id or something I guess but no more than accessing any other government services
>What does getting the COVID vaccine have to do with surveillance
Google and Apple built contact tracing directly into iOS and Android during Covid. And it's still there. And all they'd need to do to make it opt-out or required is to flash an update with some small print in an EULA.
It is WAY more invasive and you probably already gave your phone your face with features like face unlock too. But hey, we can stop this discussion, because the covid vaccinated have flagged this point down for wrongthink. You see, when you want to fight the surveillance sleepwalkers, they fight back. They really really really want to stay asleep.
You're describing contact tracing, that is not vaccination. If people were less afraid of vaccinations, invasive practices like contact tracing would be less necessary.
Arguing against that sort of contact tracing may have merits (Not necessarily saying I agree but it's a discussion worth having). Arguing against vaccination is dangerous and ends up with people dead.
The Covid vaccination should have only been given to those in the population that were most at risk: The elderly and those who were at risk due to comorbidities. 81% of deaths alone occurred in the over 65 population. [1]
There's the analogy, it was primarily beneficial for a small group yet for many, particularly Government workers and those in medical care it became a condition of employment that you were vaccinated. [2]
There was a lot of pointless policies despite knowing:
- Being vaccination did nothing to prevent transmitting Covid, it only gave the vaccinated individual better protection from mortality. [3]
- Herd immunity for Covid was known to be impossible once the infection rates got too high with Delta and Omnicron. So trying to vaccinate everyone including children was pointless. [4]
- There is Evidence that being vaccinated actually increases transmission of respiratory viruses. You were less likely to get seriously ill, while potentially increasing the risk of passing it on to your family. [5]
it sounds wrong, on the account of I never had my "ability to buy groceries" taken away from me without proving my vaccination status, I've only ever seen it used for travel purposes.
Especially in the modern era where peoples' attention is particularly stretched thin, trying to get the average person to add another thing to be hyper-vigilant about is going to be a hard sell. People only have so many spoons.
Not sure why you shoehorned some antivax nonsense in there though.
> Sorry. You can refuse the covid vaccine, but that won't stop everyone else from blithly accepting it.
I agree with this part, but then, I personally don't have a problem with everyone else giving up their privacy.
> Then once the critical mass is reached, your ability to buy groceries can just be terminated. The 20% of the population that refuses just isn't important enough to matter.
Wut? Can you provide any information about a supermarket chain (or law affecting supermarket chains) anywhere in the world that prevents (or prevented) people who weren't vaccinated against COVID-19 to enter or buy groceries from those supermarkets?
Taking these age-assurance laws at face value, I don't have a problem with them, because I think algorithmically-personalised social media feeds are an intrinsically bad product and I don't see anything that any society would lose if they went away. My concern about these laws is how far politicians are willing to go to close loopholes like VPNs, because I think that's where the potential is to cause inadvertent collateral damage to systems that really matter.
Crazy times
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-10413211/Covid-19-Aus...
This analogy doesn't hold up. What does covid have to do with anything?
probably a sentiment agent trying to equate being anti-age verification with being an antivaxxer
What does getting the COVID vaccine have to do with surveillance or grocery shopping?
Where I live I simply queued up at the local vaccination centre, got vaccinated, and left. I probably had to show some id or something I guess but no more than accessing any other government services
>What does getting the COVID vaccine have to do with surveillance
Google and Apple built contact tracing directly into iOS and Android during Covid. And it's still there. And all they'd need to do to make it opt-out or required is to flash an update with some small print in an EULA.
It is WAY more invasive and you probably already gave your phone your face with features like face unlock too. But hey, we can stop this discussion, because the covid vaccinated have flagged this point down for wrongthink. You see, when you want to fight the surveillance sleepwalkers, they fight back. They really really really want to stay asleep.
You're describing contact tracing, that is not vaccination. If people were less afraid of vaccinations, invasive practices like contact tracing would be less necessary.
Arguing against that sort of contact tracing may have merits (Not necessarily saying I agree but it's a discussion worth having). Arguing against vaccination is dangerous and ends up with people dead.
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1. What an odd analogy. Covid vaccination was a clear net positive.
2. When was the last time you needed to show a vaccine card for anything, much less buying groceries?
Honestly I lost mine, I think all I’ve got is a picture in my phone, and I don’t think it includes my booster shot.
I’ve never been asked for it since.
I mean the analogy sounds about right, why downvoting?
How does it
The Covid vaccination should have only been given to those in the population that were most at risk: The elderly and those who were at risk due to comorbidities. 81% of deaths alone occurred in the over 65 population. [1]
There's the analogy, it was primarily beneficial for a small group yet for many, particularly Government workers and those in medical care it became a condition of employment that you were vaccinated. [2]
There was a lot of pointless policies despite knowing:
- Being vaccination did nothing to prevent transmitting Covid, it only gave the vaccinated individual better protection from mortality. [3]
- Herd immunity for Covid was known to be impossible once the infection rates got too high with Delta and Omnicron. So trying to vaccinate everyone including children was pointless. [4]
- There is Evidence that being vaccinated actually increases transmission of respiratory viruses. You were less likely to get seriously ill, while potentially increasing the risk of passing it on to your family. [5]
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/covid/risk-factors/index.html
[2] https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/1000-nsw-health-workers-...
[3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/
[4] https://theconversation.com/herd-immunity-was-sold-as-the-pa...
[5] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1716561115
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it sounds wrong, on the account of I never had my "ability to buy groceries" taken away from me without proving my vaccination status, I've only ever seen it used for travel purposes.
Depends where you lived. There were a few grocery stores in Australia that banned entry without proof of vaccination at the time.
It was also widely discussed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/morrison-businesses-r...
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/supermar...
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When was the last time someone checked you were vaccinated for COVID?