Comment by guybedo
16 hours ago
This is a bit ironic, Anthropic complaining about a competitor using claude data to build its own product when Anthropic basically used all of human knowledge production to build claude, i don't think they paid every magazine, author, journalist, etc ...
This is almost standard practice in any competitive industry anyways. Disassemble your competitor's product, study it and try to reproduce / improve.
Yea I’ll never have any sympathy for this claim given that Claude is built on theft
It's a claude eat claude world out there
Yeah, and I believe Anthropic would "distill back" without thinking twice, if the other model would be good enough.
Yup, it's hard to take seriously any complaint about "stealing" Anthropic's services, when their entire business is based on massive theft.
The US labs do seem to have announced a lot of licensing deals though, and are buying things today due to the previous lawsuits.
At what point will we be better to support a lab that pays (some) licenses today vs the ones that pay none?
Some of the deals are in the hundreds of millions, so I suspect licensing is over a billion today? (Pure guess). That might become a big disadvantage in a price (or content) war.
I haven't seen any money, have you? Until they pay everyone or release weights theres really no change. Also they're doing this after they've already stolen. Not negotiated before
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At the very least the public should receive full open-weight open-source models in return for their transgressions. Failing that, may I suggest the guillotine?
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I know (via probing these models) that some of my work is in the training data. My mailbox is open.
> At what point will we be better to support a lab that pays (some) licenses today vs the ones that pay none?
Why is a lab that pays all licenses today not on your list? Is ethics and morality that low on your radar?
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You should. Companies like this will inevitably try and pull the ladder up behind them.
You mean Anthropic and OpenAI, right?
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Ironically, it's likely that the only reason USG let them get away with this — instead of making obvious and necessary adjustments to copyright law — was so that the industry would remain competitive with China.
Given that the most recent time Anthropic attempted regulatory capture, the US government responded by saying "alright, we agree that Mythos is too dangerous to release, so we've banned you from releasing Mythos," I can't wait to see what the outcome of this next push is.
Anthropic did pay $1.5B to authors. But yes, it would be much better if they paid everyone on the internet dividends from every Claude chat. Or released Claude as an open model.
In practice, the former isn't very realistic, while the latter is politically dead as this is becoming a national security issue.
Anthropic was forced to pay some people they stole content from, there was no attempt at getting permission ahead of time.
And paying basically everyone online is more or less a solved problem, it's what ad agencies have to do every day.
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