Comment by tasuki
14 hours ago
> The strike by Alibaba is described as a "distillation" effort, which Anthropic has said involves training a less capable model on the outputs of a stronger one.
I don't see what's wrong about this.
> Anthropic said the campaign was conducted between April 22 and June 5, 2026, and generated more than 28.8 million exchanges with Claude through almost 25,000 fraudulent accounts.
What makes the accounts fraudulent? If they have paid the agreed price, surely it's fine? If they haven't paid, why did Anthropic provide them service?
> What makes the accounts fraudulent?
Fake identity? And general deception about the use
Nobody cares about the feelings of the trillion dollar corporation.
Terms of use is local US fiction of wishful thinking. Nobody cares. You make something available, it's up to the consumer to decide how are they gonna use it. You don't want people to use your stuff how they please? Get off the market.
Obviously wrong on all counts: the company cares. Just like isn't not up to the consumer since the provider can restrict said consumer's access, report those actions to the authorities etc. Lastly, don't like it? Get off the provider?
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Because Anthropic has terms of service with more stipulations than just "you must pay and can use the service for any purpose"?
Oh, Anthropic, the company that hoover'd up everyone else's data, and is now unhappy when others are doing to it what it did to others? The same Anthropic?
Yes, this joke/point has been made 10,000 times in this thread in almost every comment, and on every other previous thread. Thank you!
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I'm sure all the artists and creators they stole from had stipulations too.
The artists had actual laws to protect them, not just vaguely enforceable terms of service. And look where that got them. I have zero empathy for the huge company getting a taste of their own medicine.
Anthropic paid one billion in a copyright settlement. That's a lot of money considering they never distributed the pirated books they trained on.
Nowadays they buy copies of books, train on them, and then destroy them.
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> Because Anthropic has terms of service
Not following terms of service doesn't necessarily constitute a fraud. It just means Anthropic can close an account that breaks the terms of service.
Robots.txt are also ToS of sorts.
violating their terms of service doesn't make it fraudulent?
Are you not violating terms of service? Have you ever read any? I wouldn't call you fraudulent though!
Laws define fraud, terms of service define what a company would like you to do, usually in the narrowest and most abusive and extractive way possible.
The idea that anyone would side with a company doing more to support the ToS con than (at most) terminating an account they find it violation is sickening.
Really if we had competent, uncompromised government, most of these terms should illegal and result in Anthropic (and basically every other tech company) being hauled up in front of a regulator and fined heavily until they rewrite them to be less sociopathic.
So does a lot of the owners of data that Anthropic used for training. Anthropic preceeded to ignore said terms under the guise of fair use. Yet now they cry faul? Cry me a river.
To be clear: In principle I'm on Anthropic's side here. But Anthropic et al. have been very clear that they want to take a huge dump on those principles, so here we are.
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I mean they could read the traces and learn it themselves right? /s