Comment by gdiamos
6 hours ago
When I first saw scaling laws in that deep speech experiment notebook, I didn’t believe it could be real. I was worried for months that we made a mistake, or that it only worked for that one dataset.
I started to believe it after we (Joel Hestness in particular) reproduced it in so many experiments in “scaling is predictable empirically”.
The OpenAI work replicated it in a completely different environment, and at that point I was sure it was real.
Sometimes people ask me why I was so surprised by it. Prior work like Banko and Brill and the unreasonable effectiveness of data argued for more data. ML theory had similar models for toy problems, eg coin flips.
At the time I thought deep learning was supposed to be complex. Speech and language datasets seemed much more complex than toy problems. Optimization of deep transformers was complex.
The idea that it was possible for the whole thing to be governed by a 3 term equation seemed too simple. The implication was that it was simple to manufacture intelligence.
Ten years later, I still think it is still the most interesting observation I have seen. We are still learning what it looks like to live in a world where it is possible to manufacture intelligence.
the scaling laws work within a "generation". but what about across them?
GPT-3 was 175B, models like Gemma4 with 31B vastly outperform it, so there is more to it
as Karpathy noted, the initial GPTs were trained on complete garbage (literally, the average document from the Common Crawl is random nonsense), yet they worked. now we can use present LLMs to curate the data for the next generation
I dunno if you've seen the subreddit, "Sub Simulator GPT2", but I found it around 2020-2021. It seemed to contain GPT2-style models trained/finetuned on several popular subreddits, talking to each other as stereotypical regulars of each sub would. Most of the replies were fairly coherent and somewhat related to the "thread topic", but of course even GPT3.5 would make all of them look beyond drunk only a few years later. I already had a vague understanding of neural networks and the advances in image processing at the time, but couldn't have predicted where we are now. I wonder what it'll look like in a few more years as we continue how to learn how to make this capability useful and reliable, and hopefully sometimes keep finding additional conscionable entertainment and educational applications.
Scaling laws assume the error metric and data distribution.
There is a lot of follow on work that explains what happens as you change them, e.g. Scaling Laws for Transfer - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.01293
I think it’s fortunate that transfer works in a similar way.
Common crawl (and Reddit, stack overflow, etc but not 4chan) was much easier to get access to at the time than using mechanical Turk.
There is certainly room for more work. There were many papers on scaling laws in NeurIPS this year.