Comment by cranium
5 days ago
With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down.
"Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a separate menu and it won't feel like the spot to take your family anymore.
Anthropic can find ways to integrate Fable into subscriptions so you'd still be part of the same tribe, even if you only get a sip of it for a while. A complete shut off tells you: sorry, the policy is changing and this place will be about showing off your access to the best.
That's weird but what would have been a Fable-ulous (sorry) addition to the offer just made other subscriptions from OpenAI/ZAi/... more appealing, because they don't segregate people.
Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.
> because they are second place
In popularity. Which is crazy because they are first when it comes to everything else for quite some time and Fable isn't changing that all that much because of muzzling.
i think its a combination of these:
- OAIs models are much more token efficient. in some cases their new mythos-level model uses 1/4th of the tokens that mythos does.
- they reportedly have recently found another way to decrease compute needed "by half" in a breakthrough
- early on, they ensured they have much more compute ready, whereas Anthropic had to disable new users signing up because they ran out of compute
- OAI has fewer users (5mln codex users vs, what, 10mln claude code users?)
Link to source for the breakthrough in inference compute? Are you talking about prefill?
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Soon enough the tables will turn again, anthropic will be begging people to come back.
Yes, I distinctly remember the recent past when the roles were reversed, and Anthropic was the kind good hearted startup trying to compete with big evil OpenAI corporation.
Wonder how many times we get to see it flip back and forth before this bubble explodes.
Competition is good.
I lost all my goodwill for Anthropic the moment I read the bit about how the model would intentionally degrade its performance without telling the user (in other words, sabotage) if it detected frontier level AI research. How could I know it wasn’t going to kick in as I used it to develop a regular ML model? How can I trust such a system? It’s good that they walked it back but I’m looking to jump ship now.
> I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub
With the sub, I asked Fable one question (yeah granted it was a complicated question involving integer linear programming, and I gave Fable two pieces of code to check for equivalence), and I ran out of credits before Fable had finished thinking.
I still find things exciting, but sure they are not generous.
Fable worked great on credits yesterday. Upgraded to 20x Max last night, but not the same performance. And it keeps downgrading to Opus 4.8.
How do you show/prove it’s downgrading
Use /model in Claude Code to see your current model and switch models. Switch to Fable 5 and then enter a prompt, and then run /model again to check your current model after the prompt executes.
Last night after almost every prompt it says...
You are still getting the models you signed up for. The all you can eat added a French wines selection - which requires separate payment.