Comment by aw3c2
13 years ago
> Someone posts a "Show HN" doesn't mean you get the right to walk all over it.
the right definitely exists and should be cherished. I agree that being nice is a nice goal but I also love unfiltered honest feedback like you can easily get from this community.
> the right definitely exists
What right? If you are talking about free speech, that isn't applicable here. Owners of site can allow or disallow expressions on their discretion.
When I said right, I meant the typical defense - "They posted it here. They asked for it.". I am saying just because someone posts a "Show HN" doesn't imply you can be a jerk and hide behind "but they wanted feedback".
> unfiltered honest
The problem with "unfiltered and honest" is it doesn't have a agreed-on definition.
You must be blind to not notice the crime against humanity that "white on yellow" text is.
The white on yellow text is unreadable.
To some people, 1 might look honest and unfiltered; to me it looks like some asshole trying to be tough guy on the web.
2 isn't filtering anything and is honest. "Not being an asshole" and "being honest and straight forward" aren't mutually exclusive.
Hyperbole isn't the same thing as dishonesty or malice. If you believe a poster sincerely thinks white on yellow text is a crime against humanity in a world of child soldiers, oppressive regimes, systemic corruption and walled garden app ecosystems, then why would you consider their opinion relevant in the first place?
> If you believe a poster sincerely thinks white on yellow text is a crime against humanity in a world of child soldiers, oppressive regimes, systemic corruption and walled garden app ecosystems, then why would you consider their opinion relevant in the first place?
Inserting 10000 records, each in their own transaction, is a crime against humanity.
Posting comments with get requests and without csrf tokens is a crime against humanity
I can sincerely believe these are crimes against humanity, and still be right. What I believe to be crimes against humanity is not going to affect xss in any way.
By your analogy, if Hitler says exercising is good, you will respond "why would you consider his opinion in the first place".
Hitler had some good qualities? Yes. Do you have to be Hitler to have those? No. Does being Hitler help? No.
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Honesty and respect are not mutually exclusive.
You can give great, thoughtful feedback that accurately describes your feelings without being unprofessional or disrespectful.
Sure, and people should.
But saying that people don't have the right to do otherwise is a much stronger statement than what you just stated. In fact, people in general have the right to do many things which are immoral or even unethical, e.g. the Westboro Baptist protests at funerals.
> But saying that people don't have the right to do otherwise
I should have worded it differently - I didn't mean right as in legal definition of rights(which isn't applicable here anyway) Let's just rephrase it as someone asking for feedback doesn't mean you can walk over it.
As for what rights people have, HN is private property and what speech is acceptable and what is not is totally up to the owners.
I wish more people had a sense of humor online. A real one. As it is, sometimes I feel like all my comments have to be bland. You never know how someone will interpret something.