Comment by throwitaway222

4 hours ago

So Crime++, Prostitution++, Police--, Drugs++, Unlimited Immigration++, you get my point? I don't think "objectivity" is politically left.

This comment accidentally surfaces the shifting paradigm we're seeing these days: Not so much left versus right, but dismissive populist oversimplification versus policies that support a complicated, nuanced, and fragile world.

Maybe AI is "liberal" like Dick Cheney or Mitt Romney.

Claiming the left is incapable of objectivity while also claiming that it stands for “prostitution”, “unlimited immigration”, and “crime” just highlights how detached from reality your worldview has become.

These are not left-wing values. You're being incredibly reductive. Only a few nut jobs at the far left wing support some of these things, and even then, not all of them. Nobody is "for" crime.

  • I don't know I felt like for 4 years we were hammered about defunding police or something. If you tell me that's far-left that's fine, but realize that's what your news has been pushing. I'm also certain that without ICE there would literally be unlimited immigration - because ICE is the only force that prevents it. So keep living your reality, but 95% of democratic congressmen are against ICE at this point in some way.

    Also if nobody is "for crime" why are people that are arrested 45 times still out killing people? The judges and prosecutors found to be releasing these people are 100% democratic placed. (Obama/Biden judges)

    • > I'm also certain that without ICE there would literally be unlimited immigration

      ICE was created in 2002.

    • I think you're watching the news too much, or are perhaps paying too much attention to how the right characterizes the left. It distorts reality. Time to touch grass.

      People on the left aren't generally against ICE and immigration enforcement per se - they're against the heavy-handed techniques they've been applying recently. ICE and its predecessor (Border Patrol) have been left alone to do their jobs discreetly for decades. It was only when they started showing up with a dramatic, overbearing, and excessively forceful presence that the left started complaining.

      BTW, under the Obama administration, ICE logged 3.1 million removals - the most of any administration in history, including the current one. https://elpasomatters.org/2025/02/13/gigafact-fact-brief-mos...

  • Didn’t California effectively legalise shoplifting?

    That seems objectively pro-crime.

    • They raised the monetary amount that would push a crime from a misdemeanor to a felony. They raised it from $400 to $950.

      This was widely touted in conservative circles as practically legalizing shoplifting since prosecution is less likely for misdemeanors.

      The raise moves California from the 2nd lowest threshold (New Jersey is $200) to the 10th lowest. The states with the highest thresholds, and therefore the most pro-shoplifting according to conservative logic, are:

        $2500 Texas and Wisconsin
        $2000 Colorado, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina
        $1500 Alabama, Delaware, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland,
              Montana, Nebraska, Rhode Island and Utah

    • Did it? If so, why does anyone pay for things in California shops? This idea is prima facie absurd.

    • By that logic, any reduction in punishment for a crime is "pro crime." On the contrary, reducing the maximum fine for speeding is not "pro speeding," and eliminating the death penalty for murder is not "pro murder."