Comment by ClumsyPilot

2 days ago

This narrative is a fabrication.

EU spends 33% of World’s military spending, once you exclude US. EU spends more on military than China.

How much do you need to spend to defend yourself, 60% of the world?

Mind you, many western weapons, like stinger and javelin, cost more than their weight in silver. Sounds like a scam

Military spending != military capability and will to use force. For example, Germany spends way more than France on defense but has a less capable military and with no nuclear capability to boot.

From force projection capability, the EU is toothless and lacks the spine to twist some arms in order to see its interests represented on the world stage. It's a pushover despite all that military.

The reality is that you need to be willing to drop some bombs every now and then or at least threaten or blackmail those who threaten your interests and way of life, to be taken seriously and for other countries to never fuck with you. For example the Ukraine virtually admitted to blowing up Nordstream pipeline and sending Germany's manufacturing into the storage, just to disrupt Russia. Now do you think Ukraine or any other country, would ever dare to blow up a US pipeline or piece of their infrastructure? Probably not, because they'd get carpet bombed in retaliation and their leaders shot or kidnapped by delta force.

And since the EU never plays hardball like that it always gets taken advantage of by more ruthless and unscrupulous nations with smaller and weaker militaries because both its citizens and its leaders are too afraid to ever use force.

  • > the EU is toothless and lacks the spine to twist some arms in order to see its interests represented on the world stage.

    The rhetoric right now is just bizarre. Why should the EU force countries against their will using military? Do you have zero idealism or regard for internationally agreed upon rules? Do you want a world where might is right?

    • > Do you have zero idealism or regard for internationally agreed upon rules? Do you want a world where might is right?

      Internationally agreed upon rules don't come from first principles, they're downstream from power. The world was, and will always be, might makes right.

    • International rules are meaningless without hard power to enforce them.

      Your rules in your country are real because you have judges and police to enforce those rules.

      But internationally, there's no planetary police force(other than the US when it wishes to act like one), so solving disputes is dependent to how strong your military is, or on you capability to inflict pain on the offending country through other means like economy or trade.

      That why the US walks away unscalved from international conflicts and the EU keeps getting buried further.