Comment by nine_k

2 days ago

Maybe it's even the other way around: different cultures and tastes give birth to different languages and community norms around them.

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skhameneh  2 days ago

This is a good take. I was interested in accomplishing my goals and had an interest in both Rust and Zig. Going in, Rust was already proven to meet my needs and I was exploring Zig. Everything being centered around anti-Rust and “better than Rust” without meeting my needs made it a non-starter, it got in the way of discussing the languages themselves.

  • garbagepatch  2 days ago

    When was this? I've only seen this "anti-rust" vibe in the past few weeks, guess triggered by the Bun rewrite. Zig people usually will tell you to use the right tool for the job over shilling the language or that you don't need to use it yet (if you want a stable language/documentation) the language will be there if you want to check it in a few years.

rapind  2 days ago

I have definitely witnessed very specific cultures around languages I really like that I generally just don't vibe with. The author creates something brilliant, but there's a cadre of early adopters that shape a political and somewhat egotistical community that rubs me wrong. Once I spot them, I don't engage with the community. And it's not even that I disagree with the politics they espouse... I'm usually on the same page, but it's just kind of exhausting and a little over the top.

I'm old-ish though and grew up apolitical, so I'm sure it's just a me problem.

  • senderista  2 days ago

    In the case of Ruby, the contrast between the early community pre-Rails and what came after is astounding. Partly comes down to the personality differences between Matz and DHH, I guess. I loved the community pre-2005 and had no interest in engaging with it afterward (although I used Rails for a few personal projects).

    • Klonoar  1 day ago

      This example is one of the more striking cases and you could write a (light) novel on the history of how it changed.

      You kind of had to be there for part of it, at least the early stuff though.