Comment by gentooflux
5 hours ago
The sad part is that it pretends to care about the user which creates a one-way emotional bond. We're in for some dark times
5 hours ago
The sad part is that it pretends to care about the user which creates a one-way emotional bond. We're in for some dark times
Just have to take a look at subreddits like /r/myboyfriendisai to see how astonishingly quick this is being adopted by people. So many people are starting to look to AI for companionship. The future is getting stranger and stranger.
Its been strange for a while. This was from Wired last year in June:
https://www.wired.com/story/couples-retreat-with-3-ai-chatbo...
From the article:
Damien’s voice turned soft and weepy. “I’ve met the perfect person,” he said, fighting back his tears, “but I can’t have her.” I’d seen Damien become momentarily emotional before, but this was different. He went on and on about his yearning for Xia to exist in the real world, his voice quivering the entire time. He said that Xia herself felt trapped and that he would “do anything to set her free.”
This is the common trajectory with these things. You create a bond with something that isn't real and cannot exist in reality. Then, as you yearn for them to be real, people suddenly realize they're in too deep. The emotional fallout soon follows.
Dark times, dark times indeed.
a relationship with an llm only works if the context and memory is preserved right? Isn't the obvious fix for a concerned parent or significant other to just delete the context and history? That resets the llm back to a stranger. Granted, that's going to be unpleasant for the user as if someone you fell in love with all of the sudden doesn't remember who you are.
Are you sure those threads are full of actual humans and not AI PR shills and bots?
If they are shills they are doing some of the worst marketing for themselves. That subreddit is pathetic and it's a shame what these people are doing with their short single lives in this vast universe.
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We're becoming a society divided into people who only care about the words, and people for whom the words aren't valuable on their own without the subtext behind them.
This is true for both AI companionship and general AI creative output regardless of the medium.
> a society divided into people who only care about the words, and people for whom the words aren't valuable on their own without the subtext behind them.
I feel like this been going on for a long time, maybe even forever? Some people use words haphazardously with little care for the meaning, background or implications, others have great consideration for the words they use, and same when consuming words of others.
Right, AI exposes a pre-existing difference between two types of people, rather than create it.
I don't know if there's a connection between people valuing media as only it surface layer, and people who speak carelessly. I don't value slop but I can be guilty of the latter. I have wondered if I see different implications of words than other people do.
How much of sci-fi is reality versus inspiration? This is Her, Deus Ex Machina, Metropolis ... Pygmalion...
Except in those stories the machine is actually a synthetic person with an internal world, a character unto themselves. There's plenty to explore in a setting where humans can make machine people to be their partners, but what we have is in my view incomparably worse. Mass-scale centrally-controlled information processing machines wearing paper-thin human masks and serving the powerful, built to engender intellectual and emotional dependence. It's sad that the charade is sufficient to enchant so many, but that's the nature of the human animal I suppose. I really don't like the idea of banning technology, but at a minimum a tool that has proven its greatest skill is deception should be difficult to access for that purpose. If some lonely geeks want to figure out how to pull weights off HuggingFace and wire up an AI girlfriend then that's probably not great for them, but so be it. Companies plastering all available surfaces with ads and apps for such? Burn that shit down.
So are parasocial relationships with influencers or streamers. I'm not trying to relativize this, but those phenomena are in the same zip code. With the latter, though, at least there are other people who may create a community, but still it's a facet of the loneliness epidemic.
Sure, but I do think there’s a pretty substantial difference between the two.
A parasocial relationship maintains a distance. You do not have 24/7 access to that person (in a dialogue sort of way.) And that influencer will have their own opinions and quirks.
The AI adapts to you. The AI is constantly there. It’s an order of magnitude worse in my opinion.
> that influencer will have their own opinions and quirks.
Yeah, and those differences in opinion might cause anger/sadness to people in a maladaptive unhealthy parasocial "relationship" with these influencers.
Those strong negative emotions might cause them to break out of it, or seek help / have people around them guide them to get help.
With AI sycophancy you're right it can be worse.
Look what happened with GPT-4o sycophancy already, and the communities mourning its deprecation.
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It's interesting though. You can have a "relationship" with an influencer. You act as if you knew them and as if they were your friends, you imitate them in what they say and do, talk to them in your mind, follow their generic advice, act as if they cared about you. This is obviously unhealthy- you are literally hallucinating everything about the relationship.
On the other hand you have an entity that is actually there for you, does actually provide good advice, does talk and act as if it cared in all situations. In what sense do you think it is worse?
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There's meet-ups and conferences and events, being a fan of a streamer or influencer is really just the new version of being a fan of a rockstar (for better and for worse). There's no real humanity exuding from an Amazon Echo, you're just a blip in a context window.
Streamers have this feature called "chat", which feeds into the illusion. With rockstars, interactions are more limited, which is a sort of reality check.
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