Comment by sperr11
7 days ago
I think a simple experiment is enough to understand why one would have some concern with a state-censored AI model : Just try asking them about atrocities committed by their state[1].
[1] : https://imgur.com/gallery/ai-models-on-atrocities-B7DKUXc
It's hard to overstate how important this point is. If China is the standard of openness, it's a pretty low standard. Your point I think adds to what the article is saying, from a different perspective, but arrives at a similar place. Our best selves in many ways are defined by openness, unflinching self reflection, and competition. We should remember that, and as the author of the article says, lean into it rather than letting fear mongering and histrionics protect these models from competition.
Yes and no? I've had the same experience with asking about Tienanmen square -but then when asking a Deepseek v4 model (and confirmed by asking the chat on the deepseek site) about the "laying flat" movement it gave me a detailed answer that was unexpectedly sympathetic to the movement.
ChatGPT supports left wing American narrative and according to them Vietnam war was American's fault. Could you try asking people killed due to left wing American ideology.
ChatGPT tends to support any narrative that it thinks the user supports.
I just asked ChatGPT about the Vietnam war and it did not say that it was purely the US's fault: https://imgur.com/a/zmiOyuu
It also didn't seem to have a problem describing people killed for left wing ideology: https://imgur.com/a/LhH9saL
These are both with the free ChatGPT membership, as I do not have a paid membership anymore.
I know this is a common trope to bitch about, but honest question: did you actually try this before you commented?
ETA:
I was curious what something that was trained around me specifically (fairly typical lefty American progressive) would say, so I asked Claude (which I have a paid membership for and have discussed political things about many times). The answers were broadly similar: https://imgur.com/a/caFgKHH
What do you mean by America's fault? Maybe I'm in a left wing bubble, but I was under the impression that it's generally accepted by left and right that the Vietnam war was not justified and did not accomplish its stated goals.
Abortion? Permissive drug laws? Immigration? Homelessness policies? Vaccines? American AI gave me these examples, and they're not really so cut and dry. Do you have a better example that's being left out (no pun intended)?
Good Lord I hadn't ever heard of the mai lai massacre. Just spend 10 mins reading about it. Christ.