Comment by Yokohiii

5 days ago

I didn't look into codeberg really and didn't follow any discussions around it, except some projects fleeing to codeberg.

At the first glance it just looks like a github competitor. Recently I tried to create a repo there and nothing pointed out any of the noted restrictions or preferences.

I think that is a clear communication problem. Maybe the times are chaotic for them and they need to figure out how to position themselves. But appearing as just another github and expecting people to be reasonable with it's usage, is unreasonable on their side.

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simoncion  4 days ago

> ... Recently I tried to create a repo there and nothing pointed out any of the noted restrictions or preferences.

> I think that is a clear communication problem. ...

The following is very clearly posted on their account creation page: [0]

  By registering for a Codeberg account, you consent to our Privacy Policy [1] and agree to our Terms of Use. [2]

You'll note that [2] is the same document linked to by the commenter you replied to. Perhaps being informed of your obligations when you create an account is insufficient, and you require alert-fatigue-inducing quantities of restatement of the company's policy documents throughout the UI?

[0] <https://codeberg.org/user/sign_up>

[1] <https://codeberg.org/codeberg/org/src/PrivacyPolicy.md>

[2] <https://codeberg.org/codeberg/org/src/TermsOfUse.md>

  • supriyo-biswas  4 days ago

    > Perhaps being informed of your obligations when you create an account is insufficient

    I'm sure that if we were talking about a corporate entity, then people would have retorted with how "no one reads the ToS" and "most ToSes are unenforceable", and guess what? In a world where significant AI assistance is becoming common, finding out which project is AI generated or even knowing the level of AI assistance is well nigh impossible and could be very well unenforceable.

    Edit: It has come to my attention that Codeberg is a registered association[1]. It would be "fun" to see them argue about how they may argue that an AI assisted project has "harmed their reputation".

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_association_(German...

    • inigyou  4 days ago

      It's actually quite easy to enforce this because almost everyone who's vibecoding tells you they are.

    • simoncion  4 days ago

      > ...then people would have retorted with how "no one reads the ToS"...

      This is unrelated to OP's claims that Codeberg not only doesn't make it clear that they "[P]rovide the essential infrastructure and organizational framework for the development of Open-Source Projects in decentralized and global communities, and other endeavours which serve this mission." and that "Private repositories are only allowed for things required for FLOSS projects, like storing secrets, team-internal discussions or hiding projects from the public until they're ready for usage and/or contribution.", but that Codeberg is unreasonable for not making that clear.

      OP's assertions are why I said

        Perhaps being informed of your obligations when you create an account is insufficient, and you require alert-fatigue-inducing quantities of restatement of the company's policy documents throughout the UI?

      > ...and "most ToSes are unenforceable"...

      Eh? Codeberg's remedy is to cancel your account and attempt to ban you if you attempt to keep coming back and doing the things that got your account canceled. Do you intend to suggest that a European or USian court would disagree that Codeberg is permitted to do this?

  • Yokohiii  4 days ago

    Ironically they currently show a huge banner that LLM-generated content is restricted and crypto is no longer allowed.

    No one is reading the ToS you know that very well. That you point out basic advice about ToS is satirical.

    If a service like this has some surprising limitations for a potential user, it should be clear up front and not hidden in the ToS. Considering my first paragraph, they know that too.

    • simoncion  3 days ago

      Someone who has no interest in reading ~two pages of a document written at a middle school reading level in order to find out what their hosts do and don't want to host also has no interest in reading popups, "toasts", and other such notifications on the topic. People who don't want to read aren't going to read.

      What I'd suggest to you is that you go out and get head scritches and/or snuggles from a cutie. Not only will this provide you with a fun and positive social interaction, it'll give you the energy required to complain about things that you actually care about, and maybe even make some progress towards fixing them.

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