Comment by DiscourseFan

5 days ago

I believe the Russians and Chinese recognized this years ago, which is why they are using their propaganda machines to make Americans hate datacenters.

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Cthulhu_  4 days ago

Call me a shill but I don't need foreign nations telling me what to object to when the problems caused are obvious.

Mind you, I blame governmental mismanagement of infrastructure etc just as much. The datacenters followed procedures when it comes to getting land, electricity and access to water; it's the government agencies / personnel that okayed it that are (also) to blame, and the decades of not enough investment in electricity backbone while promoting solar/EVs that is behind the Netherlands' current electrical grid problems.

(problems being that the grid is at capacity, causing a stop on new connections, with relief only slowly coming in the next decade or so with tens of billions of investments).

  • sigmoid10  4 days ago

    You could say the same about electrification of road traffic. Yes, governments slept on the electric power requirements. Yes, there are other, still unsolved issues. But that doesn't mean that electric cars are bad or not the future. The first nation to fully get rid of fossils in transportation will have a monumental advantage and dominate other countries technologically and economically. Same goes for AI. And right now China is setting itself up to be the world leader in both fields.

Mistletoe  5 days ago

If anything the Chinese and Russians made us run up our economy on nonsense AI dreams and the crash will take a decade or more to recover from.

dualvariable  5 days ago

American Capitalists don't really need any help there; they're making Americans hate Data Centers all on their own.

1659447091  5 days ago

> Russians and Chinese [...] are using their propaganda machines to make Americans hate datacenters

Are they though? or is that the story the people most invested in ai have an interest in making us believe? [0]

... `it's the foreign bad guys propaganda machines making you believe your city struggling for water and electricity is a bad thing`. People as a whole may not always be the brightest, but threaten their immediate survival needs (ie; not some vague climate change most people don't understand or see, but) actual power outages, water and rolling blackouts -- people will quickly pay attention and care.

[0] https://text.npr.org/nx-s1-5844328

  • DiscourseFan  5 days ago

    See u/ verdverm's response, below

    • 1659447091  5 days ago

      yes and see: https://text.npr.org/nx-s1-5844328 and Occam's razor.

      Russia and China are gonna Russia and China, every issue is going to have a measure of outside influence, thats just how it is now.

      But them directing large scale operation forces focused on something that is genuinely bad for the people in the area of datacenters (ie, an issue that will take care of itself from within) instead of using their resources on other issues that actually need a real propaganda push? Versus the benefit of those invested in building the datacenters using fear to get people to focus away from the resources being diverted from them to datacenters?

      One side has reality working for what they want, while another side needs the propaganda to turn their billions into trillions.

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