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Comment by stale2002

4 days ago

Ok, but only if you also conceed that all of these AI companies were stealing to train their models in the first place.

Either everyone was stealing all along, and they should all be sued out of existence, or nobody is stealing.

Personally, I think its all fair use and support all of the training, including distilations.

Distillation is forbidden by the provider of the model.

I suppose you think that model providers are not allowed to impose restrictions on the use of their model? Think carefully before answering.

  • > I suppose you think that model providers are not allowed to impose restrictions on the use of their model

    They should have exactly the same ability to "restrict" it is as the writer of a book on those who read the book that was purchased.

    And seeing as those model providers were not restricted from training on those books.... It would follow that other people would have the exact same right to train on the output of the models.

    I simply demand that model providers are treated exactly the same as the data that they trained on. Either it was OK for them to train on other people's work, en mass, without permission, over the objection of the creator, and therefore its OK to do the same to them.

    or none of its ok, and they should presumably be equally sued into oblivion, and equally shut down completely by the government.

    Thats all. Take your pick. Either all of the training on either books and all the models, without permission, is ok or none of it is.

    Additionally, the output of a model isn't even copyrightable. So actually there would be even less protections for that. Because of this, it seems that anyone could use it for anything.

    EX: 3rd parties aren't bound by the TOS of the models. So someone could simply do a passthrough, and give the uncopyrightable output to someone else to distill, and since the distiller didn't sign the TOS they would be in the clear to train on non copyrightable info.

    • > So someone could simply do a passthrough, and give the uncopyrightable output to someone else to distill

      It seems you do not understand what distillation is.

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