Comment by seanhunter

5 hours ago

I have no idea why you have this weird axe to grind. Yes she has done research

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep01303

https://www.thelancet.com/article/S1473-3099(20)30457-6/full...

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-024-03164-7

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.16.20023754v...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-journal-of-...

Etc etc. That’s papers in Nature, The Lancet, The European Journal of Applied Mathematics etc. If you actually searched you would have found tons and tons of papers and citations. She clearly does “hardcore” research by any reasonable definition as you would expect given she has been for some time a professor at UCL which is a top-tier university.

Between 2017 and 2021 she also had two children, cervical cancer, a radical hysterectomy, lymphoedema and reconstructive surgery for that.

She is a properly impressive person who warrants no shade, but it never surprises me to see it.

  • There are examples like Stephen Hawking, and he did truly impressive work in hardcore science as far as I know, despite the challenges and obstacles that he had in life. Hannah Fry has done a lot of soft work, lots of books and other media, lots of activity, a very hardworking person, and very skilled at popularity work. But that does not change my impression that her focus is not really on hardcore science.

The medrxix example is a preprint, not peer-reviewed. Why did you not point that out? And her name appears second-to-last in the authors' list.

The Lancet example is some BBC stuff, and has her name appear down near the end of the authors' list. And the contributors' section does not seem to list her as a primary author, she did not design the analysis, nor develop the model.

The Nature example indicates in the Author Contributions section that she only did some additional contributions, nothing core. Her name is not near the start of the long list of authors.

That leaves the 2 papers from 2013 and 2016, closer to the beginning of her career. Her name does not appear first in either, but she was presumably a major author in both.

The spatio-temporal aspects of some of the papers seem neat.

There is an annoyingly large amount of statistics involved, and statistics is again one of those fields that do not always have the best of reputations ("lies, damned lies, and statistics"). In part because statistical models, results, etc. can be difficult to verify the correctness of. Unlike for instance some kinds of experimental physics, where if something is wrong, the experiment can easily fail in many cases. Or in multiple kinds of engineering, where if something is wrong, there can be very practical consequences, and those consequences are often encountered sooner rather than later. In my experience, physicists are often better than mathematicians at mathematics, in part because phycisists cannot as often bullshit their way through things, which filters people and also lets phycisists test, train and improve themselves. Ironically, proper statistics is in some ways harder because of this than some other disciplines, because statistics requires greater honesty, discipline and competence due to statistics often being difficult to verify correctness of.

Also consider stuff like the reproducibility crisis and various scandals:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42284173

Nothing among the papers you listed that really seems to push the boundaries of science. A lot of models, statistics, data gathering and such.

Do you have more papers? With this admittedly tiny selection, excluding the preprint stuff, she seems to have done more research work earlier in her career, and none of the examples list her as the first author.

I actually have a worse impression of her now that I have seen the papers you listed. Ignoring the preprint paper you listed.

  • > I actually have a worse impression of her now

    You’re not exactly making the best impression here. This is such a bizarre thread. You have nit-picked someone’s choice of words into an extraordinary series of implicit slights against someone who has won a prize for the very thing at which she excels, and you really are inviting a lot of theories as to why; very few of them favourable.

    • I believe that most or all of your comment is completely wrong, sorry.

      Either way, do you really believe that her achievements are primarily within hardcore mathematical research, and not more within popularity and communication? As I was skeptical about in the first post? There are also other arguments that I made that have not been addressed as far as I can tell.