Comment by buellerbueller
5 hours ago
>[Some] Americans have asked for, or tacitly accepted this treatment of their visitors.
You forgot a word.
5 hours ago
>[Some] Americans have asked for, or tacitly accepted this treatment of their visitors.
You forgot a word.
Nobody forgot a word. "Some" is nowhere near an appropriate word to use in that sentence. All Americans share the blame in what is happening right now. All.
This comment is self-caricaturing in its complete absence of logic and unseriousness.
Are all men rapists too?
> [most]
Your word memory is faulty as well
1. "most" is debatable
2. "Some" is a superset that includes "most"
2. Most would not use "some" in such a broad way, though could only quickly find this law school's explanation that many>some (and obviously? most>many) https://law.marquette.edu/facultyblog/2014/07/commonly-confu....
I hope to meet one some day.
Unlikely, because of your priors; you already think we are odious so it isn't like you are looking for the best in (or of) us, and second why would they want to meet you if you assume the worst of them? I don't support this Administration's behavior, but I'd rather meet an American who did and have a discussion with them about it than try to convince some dude who already decided I was an asshole, based on the country I'm from.
> you already think we are odious
I had to look up the word to double-check as a non-native English speaker. A quick definition I'm working with is "Arousing or meriting strong dislike, aversion, or intense displeasure." The synonyms assumed are: evil, cruel, hostile, nasty, wicked (all from Grammarly).
The experience of "you" - Americans - for non-Americans is shaped by cultural exports, personal contacts, and interactions with available American institutions. The last of these is likely to start with the immigration policy and its execution in the form of an embassy visit to apply for a visa and later with the officers at the airport. How confident are you that these interactions cannot be described as "odious" in a significant percentage (maybe even the majority) of cases? I've never experienced it myself, but in my social circle, almost all who tried were pretty bitter about it, even when successful. There were some outright Kafkaesque situations as well. Does it come as a surprise that a completely ruined "first impression" ended up biasing them to some extent?
I think that's rather expected. I'm pretty sure the same is true for a portion of people who want to visit or immigrate to my country. I can hope it's maybe less prevalent - we're not as sure of our greatness here (still better than those others around, obviously! /s) - but I wouldn't count on it to be an entirely positive experience, either. Admitting this and trying to fix it (including, unfortunately, convincing that dude who had to deal with his fair share of assholes to get here that not everybody is an asshole) would probably be a better course of action than isolationism you seem to favor, but to each their own.
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If one's beliefs align with those who wish to strip civil rights from citizens who are different than one's own, then one is an asshole and doesn't deserve the time of day.
One can cry about being a pariah all they like, but don't be surprised when the rest of the kids don't want to play when one's unmitigated petulance and intolerance is on display.
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