Comment by marcus_holmes

1 month ago

Yeah I saw this in Cambodia when I lived there. Sihanoukville had become a Chinese enclave almost completely.

Different to the way that French colonialism worked, though. Less direct government, more influence of existing power structures and respect for the local government.

There is definitely an argument that this is plain business investment - China has a lot of foreign currency to invest because of its trade surplus, and there isn't the opportunity within China to invest it all, so it is engaging with trade partners to invest in their economies so that they can increase future trade with China.

You can also make the argument that this is not benign and China is trying to create control over foreign governments with this investment.

I'm kinda "both can be true, but either are better than how we did it"

Go ask anyone in Southeast Asia which they'd rather have colonize them: USA or China.

They'll usually refer to China in terms like the "thousand year enemy".

  • I’ve only been to Vietnam but the answer there is it’s… complicated.

    They’re culturally part of the sinosphere but of course constantly living in the shadow of your much, much bigger neighbour to the north does breed some ill feeling.

    The USA on the other hand, well, they’re not particularly popular either for obvious reasons

    • The irony is much of the China-ASEA acrimony seems to be over China's aggressive territorial claims in the South China Sea.

      Which was a dumb move because, given Chinese economic superiority, they could have just quietly negotiated 99 year military base leases and oil/gas extraction with the UN-recognized territorial owners.

      Same outcome, less bad blood.

      Seems a bit of an own goal to militarily force the issue and antagonize its neighbors, who it's trying to convert to its sphere of influence.

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  • Ask Latin America which they'd rather have colonize them.

    • We don’t want anyone to colonize us just like you don’t want your country to be colonized. China offers business opportunities while the USA and Europe seem to always look down on everyone else and impose their own values on others. China does not give a shit about how we run our countries as long as they can trust that deals will be honored. We don’t want to be taught how great your democracy is or whatever, we want our countries to become better by our own efforts, with fair deals when dealing with other nations.

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  • That really depends on who you ask. If it's that bad then why did all of those countries sign up for the RCEP?