Comment by CMay
1 month ago
That's not accurate. AI can help the military increase precision which can also save civilians lives in other countries where the military is active. AI is not intentionally targeting schools the way Russia is in Ukraine. People are going on about this one single accidental school strike in Iran, meanwhile Russia has hit thousands of schools in Ukraine. Something like 1 out of every 7 schools has been damaged or destroyed and even though the numbers are tracked separately, they have killed something like ~800 children.
A similar argument was made for why Microsoft shouldn't sell software or services to border patrol or ICE. The counter-argument was that if it helps them be more precise and reduce errors in their managing of all the people then it could actually help not just the organization, but also the people.
Again, whether it's human or AI, mistakes will be made and civilian casualties will likely remain a part of war. AI can ideally keep civilian casualties low.
> AI is not intentionally targeting schools the way Russia is in Ukraine.
Are you sure?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-assisted_targeting_in_the_G...
They even have the cool one: "Where's Daddy?" - which tracks the suspect and then notifies the officials when suspect is at home, so IDF can bomb the whole building.
In this case AI is specifically designed to increase the civilian casualties, why not shoot the suspect independently, why include their neighbours, imagine your neighbour in 10 floor apartment building is a terrorist and your building gets bombed because of single person
The US isn't Israel. We have criticized and questioned Israeli attacks on numerous occasions. Privately and openly. The US can make mistakes or misuse/abuse technology as well, but you're linking primarily to a page about Israeli strikes.
Israel has had Iran and its proxies directly and intentionally target Israeli civilians and other civilians in the region, so their perspective on attacks may or may not be more flexible compared to the U.S. approach. I don't know. They have gotten some criticism for their tactics, but nobody argues that they are in a dangerous neighborhood.
There have been more occasions where Israel explicitly went out of its way to avoid civilian casualties than not, so I don't think it's the norm. Based on the extremes I've seen them willing to go to, though, I'm not surprised if it has happened. That said, I'm not saying I know whether that wikipedia page is accurate or not since it relies on an anonymous source and the IDF denied it.
As I said though, the US under multiple administrations had criticized and warned Israel to be more disciplined in its bombing, for what that's worth.
> The US isn't Israel
I am not sure about this anymore, for some time I got an impression that Israel became the capital of USA.
> but you're linking primarily to a page about Israeli strikes.
Because you said AI will reduce civilian casualties, I gave you opposite fact. And relevant to the discussion, Dario complained about China being immoral, but didn't say anything against Israel, what message does it give to us? - Dario doesn't care about human rights, he is concerned about himself and how Chinese open AI can impact his company.
> the US under multiple administrations had criticized and warned Israel to be more disciplined
Who cares about criticism with no action, when they literally handing over them bombs:
here is your bomb which can blow up whole building, but please don't use it against buildings with civilians, oops, did you blow up civilians? Is your arsenal depleted? Okay take these bombs, but don't use against civilians, ooops again? Okay take all these bombs
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It ideally can, yes, but if you choose to partake in the military operations by providing your LLM you at least bear some responsibility. When you don't give the DoW access to your LLM it may still be the case that actions will be taken that inflict some humans suffering. In that case you won't have had a hand in it though.