Comment by tristanj

6 hours ago

Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data.

https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/

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jjcm  4 hours ago

I actually really like that pricing strategy. It's very transparent

  • bdangubic  2 hours ago

    I love the idea of this pricing strategy but there is no way meta is not training on your data regardless of your monthly invoice

    • simonw  1 hour ago

      So you think the only difference between the $1.25/million token plan and the $0.10/million token plan is that you pay them more to both lie to you and breach their contractual obligation to you?

ray_kay777  5 hours ago

This makes it a very interesting alternative to Deepseek for personal work where I don't care about the training - judging by the AA benchmarks it seems like overall cost per task is similar to the new Deepseek Flash but with better benchmarks (and inbuilt vision capabilities).

  • martinald  22 minutes ago

    Also looks incredibly fast. 150tps on openrouter (nearly all deepseek providers are around the 50tps mark).

  • embedding-shape  2 hours ago

    Except with one you know they'll release the weights and architecture back to the community, with the other, it leans towards they won't do that.

moonu  2 hours ago

I've been surprised by the reception to this, as OpenAI, for a while now, has had free API usage when data sharing is enabled (https://help.openai.com/en/articles/10306912-sharing-feedbac...)

  • no-name-here  1 few seconds ago

    I enabled all data sharing settings but still don’t have a message about free use on that screen - the help page says free tokens are available to “some” users - is that 1% of users, 40% of users, etc?

    Does your screen have the message that you are receiving free tokens?

  • OsrsNeedsf2P  1 hour ago

    I tried following this page, and it's certainly a lot more complex than what Meta is offering. Different price tiers, opt-in configurations, usage based availability.. I'll take the 10x discount for flipping a param switch over this all day long.

    • stingraycharles  37 minutes ago

      Seems pretty clear to me: enable it for the projects you want, and there’s a 1M / 10M token limit per day, depending on the model you use. Assuming an average context size of 100k tokens, that is 10 to 100 requests, which is not a lot. Reason enough to prefer actually paying for Meta as well.

HDBaseT  4 hours ago

Meta, please offer this on OpenRouter too (ZDR + Non-ZDR, official Meta Provider).

dan15  4 hours ago

Probably to compete with DeepSeek, which AFAIK also retains data (or at least OpenRouter says they do)

  • dghlsakjg  3 hours ago

    FYI: there are providers of deepseek that offer the same or lower pricing and zero retention policies.

  • ForHackernews  3 hours ago

    DeepSeek is really crazy cheap, though, and they don't have a giant pool of other invasive personal data to correlate it with.

    • jofzar  3 hours ago

      I hate to say this and this is because I fucking despise meta. But between DeepSeek and Meta, and trust they handle the training data correctly, I trust meta.

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