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Comment by flyinglizard

3 days ago

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Why tf would Israel, supposedly "surrounded by enemies" need military gains in Lebanon, a sovereign country, or in Gaza, which doesn't even have an army? By "it has to" you mean that the only way to keep their narative afloat is to try to manipulate public opinion?

  • Gaza attacked Israel on October 7th, 2023. Lebanon joined Gaza’s offense on October 8th, 2023.

    • And the decade prior to that the IDF would do random incursions and kidnap and shoot a few dozen people at a time in Gaza while it allowed settler terrorists in the West Bank to steal homes and land and you guys always ignore that aspect.

in order for the clawback to happen, israelis actually have to believe what they are doing is wrong, at least enough to stop gloating about it.

Israel still has the public narrative, but its iraelis and not the government that is defining it

Anyone can just go on Reddit and watch videos of Israelis murdering children.

https://archivegenocide.com/

Anyone can just go and read Ben Gvir's tweets saying Lebanese mothers must weep and calling for literal extermination.

>All of Lebanon must burn!

>In the Middle East, you don’t win with measured responses and restraint—you need to go berserk. To obliterate.

https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/2067865510281170957

Nobody believes that this is Israeli's "will to live".

  • It is bad faith to use Ben Gvir as a representative for Israel, let alone Israelis. He received less than 5% of the votes for parliament and only got to his ministerial position due to the extortive nature of the Israeli political system. This is a guy who was incarcerated and barred from holding any kind of position for a very long time.

    You could use many other moderate Israeli politicians, but you chose to bring the one who 95% of the Israeli electorate will not vote for.

    • Ben Gvir is the minister of national security and has been for years. He literally is a representative of Israel. He may not represent the views of Israelis, but he is in power, and is using that power. That makes him a relevant example, as relevant as the day is long.

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    • >Itamar Ben-Gvir is an Israeli politician and lawyer who has served as the minister of national security since 2022

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

      How is a member of the Israeli government not considered to be a representative of the government of Israel? It's tautologically true that he represents Israel. And yes indeed many of his opinions do represent a huge portion of Israeli public opinion.

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