Comment by timr
1 day ago
You need to bring evidence, not press releases.
Your first link says that more people died this year, relative to predictions for this year, because of a single heat wave. This has ~nothing to do with the discussion at hand, and is a classic example of the sort of hyperbole I am talking about.
The second link says that heat events kill people in the UK. Fine. It links to a single paper claiming that:
> half of the heat-related deaths in Europe in the summer of 2022 have been attributed to anthropogenic climate change (Beck et al., 2024).
Regardless of the quality of the cited paper, this is a far cry from evidence of a trend.
> It's extremely hypocritical of you to accuse me of exaggerating when your own presentation of facts is selective and not-representative of what we are seeing globally.
You're literally exaggerating, right now. I quoted the latest IPCC report and told you factually what it says. You linked to a press release and a UK climate portal page that don't support what you're insuinating.
> This has nothing to do with the discussion at hand
This is a topic concerning El Niño. You acknowledge that the downstream consequences of El Niño effects is amplified heatwaves, presumably. Heatwaves already kill people in many continents globally. It stands to reason _strong_ heatwaves will probably raise mortality further; which is _directly related_ to my original comment.
I don't engage with people who aren't willing to be honest with what the data supports.
> I don't engage with people who aren't willing to be honest with what the data supports.
OK, whatever. But what was I dishonest about? Cite the figures. Should be pretty easy.
...oh, and by the way:
> You acknowledge that the downstream consequences of El Niño effects is amplified heatwaves, presumably.
In some places, sure. In others (i.e. the western pacific), it leads to regional cooling.
Let's at least get our facts straight.
You’re angering the doom and gloom crowd. To them, anything that isn’t a fully hysterical and confident assertion that we’re doomed to extinction, is basically a denial of climate change. There’s no nuance, curiosity, or data to be found, just people trying to shout you down. It’s been like this for decades.
Ironically, these people probably do as much harm to the efforts to curb climate change as anyone. When you spend decades making breathless claims of imminent doom, and then it doesn’t happen, people rightfully stop listening to you.
Climate change is real, very serious, and we should absolutely take (more) action. But the worst case scenario here is so far from what these people confidently claim that it’s very hard to take them seriously.
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