Comment by icy

20 hours ago

https://tangled.org! Founder/CEO here. We're a new forge building things from the ground up, and are fully federated -- you can host your git repos on your own infra, along with the CI runners. We've also got a pretty neat set of features (if I may say so myself): stacked PRs, Nix-based CI (if you want it), and a fully open protocol (https://atproto.com) to for you and your agents.

Happy to answer any questions.

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theamk  19 hours ago

The whole "social coding" angle is highly off-putting. List of "X followed Y" on the front page, and the large "social coding" reminds of facebook, social manipulation, developer burnout and all the negative things about social networks. It also brings up the questions about project's long-term direction - is this going to focus on the code part or the social part?

Which is a pity - as I think most projects just need a git host + web UI + easy pull requests + a way to clone other's repos, and tangled seems to do this pretty well.

  • Bjorkbat  18 hours ago

    Arguably the "social coding" angle is the reason why Tangled is the only actual alternative to GitHub. Otherwise there's actually plenty of other alternatives to GitHub, but none of them have GitHub's punchcard, which I'm ashamed to admit is the primary draw for me.

    • palata  41 minutes ago

      I'd like to know if most people use GitHub because of the social network part, or other reasons. I, for one, hate the social network part.

      One thing with GitHub for open source projects is that the CI is free (and included macOS runners). The other is that many people have a GitHub account and would refuse to contribute to a project on another forge if it means that they must create a new account.

      The federated design of Tangled solves the latter problem, so there's that.

  • satvikpendem  18 hours ago

    You're not the target market, there are a number of other forges as seen in this thread as alternatives.

    • palata  33 minutes ago

      One may want the federation ("I can use all those forges without creating multiple accounts" and "I can open a pull request from my forge into another forge") without wanting the social network angle, right?

whycombinetor  19 hours ago

What's the monetization pathway here? No private repositories (because everything is on ATProto) so near zero commercial use potential - CI is free, everything is free, no pricing page... Am I the product if I use this service?

  • tancop  3 hours ago

    Daniel Holmgren from bluesky is working on permissioned data for ATP [1]. Once that lands tangled will probably add unlimited private repos and extra CI compute on the first party servers as a paid feature.

    Self hosting will be free forever. That is not a threat to monetization plans because most people would pay a reasonable price ($10 month) to avoid dealing with infra. Remember that hardware is cheap so margins can get pretty high and 1000 paying customers at the lowest tier is probably enough to pay for a full time engineer. 10,000 and you can have a small team (plus unpaid open source contributors). You don't need Amazon scale and growing profits to be successful.

    [1] https://dholms.leaflet.pub/

jkl5xx  14 hours ago

Tangled feels like the future but it seriously needs private repos ASAP to capture the momentum of the current GitHub exodus.

Topfi  15 hours ago

Just signed up, so not much to report yet, but one thing I noticed is that, because the sign in is on tngl.sh rather than a subdomain of tangled.org, it might be confusing for some users, especially as the sign in page has a very different design, theme and layout to the rest of your website and tangled as a whole. Additionally, my password manager didn't show the just created password due to the URL mismatch. Perhaps this could be addressed to improve the experience.

Edit: I really like that one-click "watch logs via SSH" copy button. Maybe those could be attached to the top of the top, as it stands the pipeline just pushes them further and further down. Find the UI and UX overall very pleasant.

MerrimanInd  15 hours ago

I recently got a spindle and a knot set up on my home server (along with Tranquil PDS). A few rough edges that we got ironed out but it's cool to have all of that self-hosted on my own machine yet still part of the AT proto world! I'll be honest, I'm not putting anything critical on it yet but that's my lack of trust in my own home server setup not doubt in Tangled's infra!

A better web UI for the queued jobs on my spindle would be great btw!

  • palata  23 minutes ago

    I am curious, does your server "initiate" the connection to the "federation", or do you have to make it publicly accessible (by opening a port, etc)?

eximius  19 hours ago

I think the main thing I'm waiting for in the atproto space, for _most_ applications, is private data solutions. And the recent RFC on private data spaces (I forget the terminology) is a start, but has a ways to go.

  • ch71r22  19 hours ago

    Yeah I would like to try Tangled if I can set it up in a completely private configuration

rebolek  15 hours ago

I wanted to use tangled but my repo is SHA256 and you sadly don’t support it. I know SHA256 is not very usual but anyway, do you plan to support it?

paulhebert  19 hours ago

This looks pretty cool. I like the idea of a federated option

What’s the monetization plan? My biggest concern would be using this and it losing support in a few years

AndrewHampton  18 hours ago

I love jj and am a fan of the ideas of AT protocol, so tangled has been on my radar for a while. Last I checked though, it sounded like it was much better suited for open source code, not private repositories. Is that still the case?

  • icy  6 hours ago

    We don't yet support private repos, correct. This is very high priority on our roadmap (~6-8wks out).