Comment by karim79

12 hours ago

Itamar Ben-Gvir, just recently, stated that he wants to kill 30-40 Palestinians every night. He said so, publicly.

So it is hilarious that Israel is trying to influence chatbots when shit like that is out in the open.

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danmaz74  4 hours ago

And he is a minister in Israel's government, not some rando. Israeli governments and actions in the last many years are simply indefensible.

  • A_D_E_P_T  3 hours ago

    It's legitimately weird to see anybody defend them, as the immorality is out in the open.

    The past few years have really opened my eyes to the nakedly tribal nature of democratic politics. Polybius was largely correct when he said that it inevitably degenerates into oligarchy or mob-rule -- but what's especially unfortunate is that the US and Israel appear to be getting both at the same time: A naked oligarchy with just enough mob rule to keep the animal spirits of the populace sated.

    • pydry  1 hour ago

      It really disturbed me discovering how many nominally liberal people who would react in horror at casual use of the n word are quite comfortable with genocidal racism.

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perpetualpear  3 hours ago

When such statements/actions are attributed to Ben-Gvir, I assume they and the objective nuanced truth are basically the same. I find it wild how people who are not like him defend him.

  • rbanffy  1 hour ago

    I find it disappointing that people I once respected revealed themselves to be like him.

nailer  7 hours ago

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  • RobertoG  5 hours ago

    Is not this the guy that wanted to put crocodiles in prisons, but was stopped by the Israeli society because it was bad for the crocodiles?

    Israel is becoming so crazy, that it would be funny if the result was not so terrible for the people targeted.

  • ccppurcell  5 hours ago

    Do you believe that 30 to 40 Palestinians per night pose an immediate threat? Elsewhen in history, genocidal acts have been justified by claiming a non existent immediate threat (of disease, of economics, of fifth columnists, of terrorism).

magic_hamster  8 hours ago

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  • j_maffe  8 hours ago

    > “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister," he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night,” said the far-right Israeli lawmaker.

    > “Not just those who pose an immediate threat, there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people,” added Ben-Gvir.

    Not sure how the full quote is supposed to help.

  • tancop  7 hours ago

    This would still be bad even if they had perfect information and only killed confirmed terrorists. Setting a target for number of people killed is an extermination campaign not a war. All it does is turn the locals even more against you like in Vietnam.

    If it was "secure X amount of land from Hamas" it would be way better because that would give them the option to surrender or run away, and give IDF an incentive to avoid violence. What Israel is doing means soldiers feel pressure to kill on sight even if the enemy is unarmed and ready to give up so they can meet their quota for the night. That is a war crime.

yoavm  7 hours ago

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  • x3ro  7 hours ago

    So this is not what he said [1]? What did he say, then. I’m assuming you must know.

    [1]: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/ben-gvir-calls-killing-30-04422310...

    • yoavm  6 hours ago

      I'm assuming you're asking genuinely so I will answer. For context, I'm originally Israeli, but I only heard about this from this HN thread.

      He was apparently on a podcast with a released hostage from Gaza. He was discussing targeted assassinations. One doesn't "target" an innocent person. He indeed said that we should target not only those that are an "immediate threat". I'm guessing he meant people who took part in October 7th's attack but are not currently fighting, for example prisoners of the hostage he was talking with.

      Many in Israel thinks the US forced Israel to stops many of its operations in Gaza, and he was basically saying he thinks some operations should continue.

      To clarify, I disagree with him, I'm glad IDF operations in Gaza largely stopped and I wish they stopped completely. I wish the best for ordinary citizens of Gaza and I am longing for the day Ben Gvir will be behind bars. But he did not say we should randomly kill 30-40 Palestinians per day. There is an armed conflict, and many people on both sides would unfortunately love to see tens of deaths on the other side per day, especially armed people.

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hackernud3s  11 hours ago

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  • ceejayoz  11 hours ago

    https://apnews.com/article/ben-gvir-israel-gaza-hamas-netany...

    > “It’s no secret, I disagree with the prime minister,” he said. “I think targeted assassinations should be carried out in Gaza, taking down 30 to 40 every night. Not just those who pose an immediate threat — there are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.”

    The man used to have a shrine to a mass murderer in his home.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir

    > Ben-Gvir is known for being a provocateur and has attracted headlines for a variety of reasons: threatening Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin on live television in 1995 shortly before his assassination; having had a portrait in his living room of Baruch Goldstein, a Jewish terrorist and mass murderer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacr...)...

    • user43928  5 hours ago

      If you hear extraordinary claims, such as the comment above that claims Ben-Gvir called for the daily killing of 30-40 Palestinians, you should ask not only for solid evidence but also context.

      I am not at all surprised that it was a comment about the targeted assassination of terrorists, or people who participated in the October 7th terrorist attack, or something like that.

      These tactics are obvious. Take a quote out of context, omit the part that points at the real context ("targeted assassination") and tack on "Palestinians" instead, so that it sounds like a clear call to murder civilians.

      Do you not think we should aim for higher standards in discussion on here?

      It reminds me of headlines claiming Trump threatened a blood bath [for the auto industry] if he isn't elected.

      How gullible do people who quote out of context think we are?

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EA-3167  11 hours ago

Trump just recently said he’s considering attacking Oman.

Politicians say really terrible, stupid things on a fairly regular basis. The difference between the two situations is that Ben-Gvir is loathed by 90% of Israeli society (Trump still has 33% approval) and unlike Trump has no power to follow through on his threats.[1]

[1]https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-08-06/israel-court-battle-o...

  • nixon_why69  10 hours ago

    Worth noting that proposal was stopped on animal rights grounds, rather than humam rights.

    • EA-3167  10 hours ago

      It’s an injunction and arguably a legal pretext to stop it in its tracks. That’s not uncommon in any system, just like SCOTUS rulings often seem strangely specific to restrain the scope of their ruling.

      Tl;dr Lawfare is a thing and it’s effing everywhere.

  • benregenspan  10 hours ago

    > Ben-Gvir is loathed by 90% of Israeli society...Trump still has 33% approval

    Maybe that 90% number is for Tel Aviv. In national polls, they both have roughly the same approval rating.

    • vintermann  8 hours ago

      I have a long-held feeling with Trump that his most ardent haters don't hate his specific policies, merely that he's so gauche about it, that he has no class.

      I have no doubt that Ben-Gvir has a similar segment of haters in Israel. They want the same things, but they don't want to do it in the style of a leering hooligan fishing for a fistfight.

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