Comment by StilesCrisis

10 hours ago

Coming soon: a side-channel timing attack which completely invalidates this result

The assumptions the proof makes are pretty clearly listed: https://sel4.systems/Verification/assumptions.html

The one covering side channels is pretty honest:

Information side-channels: this assumption applies to the confidentiality proof only and is not present for functional correctness or integrity. The assumption is that the binary-level model of the hardware captures all relevant information channels. We know this not to be the case. This is not a problem for the validity of the confidentiality proof, but means that its conclusion (that secrets do not leak) holds only for the channels visible in the model. This is a standard situation in information flow proofs: they can never be absolute. As mentioned above, in practice the proof covers all in-kernel storage channels but does not cover timing channels.

So the proof won't be invalidated at it does not cover that particular threat.

Now the question is how useful the is a proof not covering side channels? I'd say pretty useful and it doesn't mean they don't have counter measures for to counter their exploitation, nor that they are not effective, just that a proof of efficiency is out of reach for now.

  • To add to that, the only way I see proof of absence of timing channels is by proving both the software and the hardware design side by side, and then the proof would hold only for a specific core. Something that would look both at the code manipulating secrets and at the Verilog for the specific core/memory chips. I've not been working in that space in a long while but AFAIK such a thing is nowhere near ready. I suspect it will be a lot easier if the hardware design is optimised for provability, which won't be good at all for performance. But there are plenty of contexts where security matters a lot more than performance (SMC, BMC, RoT and co at the very least).

    And then you'd need assurance that the Verilog is faithfully transcribed in the silicon, which is a can of worms in itself.

    • What you want is a proof that microarchitectural timing differences (ie. the difference between a cache hit and cache miss) cannot possibly turn into architecturally-visible timing differences. If a program cannot reliably distinguish between two points in time, time is not a suitable channel for programs.

      You could have an ISA where timing information is simply not presented to the programmer, but programmers like being able to profile their programs.

    • In general you don’t need things that fancy. Instead, you can take

      1. Some known set of architectures, with

      2. Some known set of (constant time/variable time) operations

      And then prove things about programs written against those architectures. See for example

      https://github.com/PLSysSec/FaCT

      That being said, practically the operations that are variable time are known, and are mostly* the same on all modern architectures. In particular

      1. Branching on a secret-dependent variable, or

      2. Indexing an array with a secret-dependent index, or

      3. Some architecture specific operations (typically things like division, occasionally things like multiplications/shifting).

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    • You don't need to prove the hardware correct to prove that the software is free from timing side-channels. You just need a model of the hardware that captures timing information.

      Sure a hardware or model bug would render your proof non-applicable, but that is already the case for the existing proofs.

      The bigger problem is simply that hardware designers do not care about timing side channels. Even if you did accurately model the timing behavior of a modern processor, you would just discover that trying to write software free from timing side channels is a practical impossibility.

      > And then you'd need assurance that the Verilog is faithfully transcribed in the silicon, which is a can of worms in itself.

      You would also need to prove that our model of physics accurately describes how that silicon would behave, and the the environment around the silicon is within the physical parameters you modeled...

    • I don't think it needs to be so dramatic. You could have a proof that the algorithms don't contain data-dependent logic, and perhaps ensure that no data-dependent instructions are generated; and that all branches have the same number of instrution-cycles (adding padding if not). You'd then simply rely on the architecture-specific instruction timing differences to be respected by the compiler.

      Would something like this guarantee that no side-channels are possible on any architecture? Perhaps not, but it would still get you most of the way there.

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That's a bit unfair. Any side–channel attack that invalidates seL4 security guarantees —assuming the proofs are valid— also invalidates any other imaginable OS'.

We're in the philosophical territory of tasking infallible beings with stopping their own flawless creations.

I don't think a side channel attack against L4 would be particularly useful - the kernel's tiny, and doesn't really do much other than scheduling, IPC and capabilities. Anything you might want to learn lives in other processes.

That said, the big caveat of the whole thing, is that by pushing stuff traditionally considered to be sensitive to user space doesn't solve security or stability, it makes it other people's problem. There's no reason you couldn't do a side channel (or a different kind of) attack against a process that hosts the filesystem.

Side channel timing attacks are micro architectural. The SeL4 security proofs are architectural.

Although, there is ongoing research regarding time protection (https://trustworthy.systems/projects/timeprotection/) which prevents exactly timing channels. Including proofs of seL4 providing time protection.

  • Security-partition switches that carefully reset all shared micro-architectural state, while making switch times completely deterministic, and in particular, independent of previous execution history.

    I'm afraid it means clearing all caches at each context switch. The performance penalty is really high.

Are timing (over network) attacks, physical access, etc. typically excluded from research like this for being “out of scope”, so to speak? I’m not familiar.

  • Mathematical proofs tend to assume that they are built on perfect foundations (you have to stop the proof somewhere!). Unfortunately, proving that the software is correct just means you need to find a flaw in a deeper layer.

  • They aren't out of scope as much as they are irrelevant. It has been a best practice to ensure that the things you would be attempting to attack the timing of do not let you do this for a very long time. We are so far down this road that we do things like generate thousands of values and throw most of them away to mitigate the laziest attempts at what would be considered in scope.

    • It's still relevant (and probably also rather difficult) to prove that seL4 itself conforms to those best practices.

you are missing the point

just because something isn't perfect and handles everything you can come up with doesn't mean it isn't still very very useful

nothing in nature is truly perfect and down-talking grate but not perfect things will just make us stuck in a pretty shitty world which never improves because no improvement by itself "perfectly/fully" solves whatever problem set you are looking at