Comment by Barbing

15 days ago

And here I was thinking any psyop was necessarily bad.

The leadership of nations requires you to put pressure on the thoughts and minds of your people, left to their own devices those minds will simply be shaped by someone else.

The morality in it comes from your motivation and methods. Secretly giving piles of money to the weirdos you successfully identify as being the leaders of artistic movements to amplify those movements can't be all that bad.

The question of the day is if you were the CIA trying to do the same thing today, who and what would you fund?

  • I would fund things which make people less susceptible to manipulation and more equipped to think for themselves.

    Because I believe in democracy not as a political tool but as a fundamental right. I don’t wish to use democracy to gain more power.

    But maybe that’s why I’ll never be in that position, to make that choice.

    • > I would fund things which make people less susceptible to manipulation and more equipped to think for themselves.

      This also would be manipulative. If you think society can provide you freedom, you are looking in the wrong places.

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  • I wouldn’t because the CIA is explicitly barred by Congress (Title 50 U.S.C. § 3093) from conducting influence operations intended to affect American public opinion since the Intelligence Authorization Act of 1991.

    • Hence why USAID was (allegedly) co-opted to perform the same role.

      The right-wing areas of the internet, even now, say the decline of whatever progressive or left-wing phenomenon they’re talking about is because they ran out of money after USAID was defunded.

Yeah, if that’s true we should get those people their own agency and let them manage museums

Are you saying modern art is positive?

  • Do you not appreciate art?

    • Should we appreciate art we were manipulated into liking, or pretending to appreciate?

      Modern art has been the butt of many jokes over the years. A canvas painted white, a banana duck taped to a wall, literal piles of trash… the bar for what we call art is basically on the floor. A literal bar on the floor, given a good story, could itself be called art.

      Art generally implies some level of skill. While some modern art can still fall into that category, other stuff requires no real skill, just the right connections and for enough people to buy into the grift.

    • I love art. Contemporary art is a bunch of ugly wankery by pretentious people who are bored of actual beauty and can only amuse themselves by creating ugly stuff, then claiming "you just don't get it". The world would be a significantly better place without contemporary art in it.

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