Comment by buellerbueller

If MAGA wants lower crime, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants commit crime at lower rates than citizens. [1]

If MAGA is pro-economy, why is MAGA kicking out immigrants? Immigrants are more entrepreneurial than US-born citizens. [2] [3]. Why the tariffs? Tariffs are a tax on American consumers.

The line of reasoning you present is just completely wrong. Is it because MAGA are wrong/ignorant? Or because MAGA are racist and fascists?

[1] https://www.aeaweb.org/research/chart/incarceration-immigran...

[2] https://news.mit.edu/2022/study-immigrants-more-likely-start...

[3] https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/report/fortune-50...

EDIT, sadly the reply is flagged, so I will post my response to it below:

>Don't conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants first off.

The analyses I presented don't make a distinction between legal and illegal immigrants; the facts they state still stand.

>Second, we KNOW a lot of those people they're picking up committed crimes. Murder, rape, etc. They all have charges and are queued for deportation.

And if your concern is about crime, you would want the law enforcement resources that are being used to pick up immigrants to be used to pick up US-born citizens, because US born citizens are more criminal.

>Illegal immigrants are a strain on the healthcare system, education system, policing, social services. It's a simple fact that every country knows.

Wrong again. Immigrants use less of all of those social resources, except public school. Public schools are strained because us-born students are more likely to attend private schools, and public schools are generally funded on a student headcount basis. [4] [5] [6] [7]

>And Tariffs are a consumption tax on if they buy those foreign products. I'll take a trade war if it means getting drug prices and many other trade inequalities down (which he did). Turns out our allies are bigger assholes than our adversaries.

Typically, as reported, there aren't many American substitutes for the foreign-produced goods that have been taxed on tariffs. Just to use a very recent example, American cars now have their canadian auto parts slapped with a 50% tariff. Am I supposed to source my own american parts and then build my own car? What the hell is wrong with you?

>But nah, Democrats must be right about everything. It's impossible to be wrong. Republicans are evil and ignorant is what you probably hear.

Living in a red state, and having many MAGA family members, I am sympathetic to listening to the arguments made by MAGA. However, their claims fall apart when you start looking at facts and data, as I believe I have amply demonstrated through our back-and-forth.

[4] https://www.cato.org/briefing-paper/immigrant-native-consump...

[5] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/key-fact...

[6] https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

[7] https://www.kff.org/racial-equity-and-health-policy/potentia...