Comment by dannyw
1 month ago
Companies are well within their rights to choose who they sell to. I don't see how this is 'privately enforced copyright'.
Also, copyright has always been privately enforced anyway?
1 month ago
Companies are well within their rights to choose who they sell to. I don't see how this is 'privately enforced copyright'.
Also, copyright has always been privately enforced anyway?
On the one hand, yes; on the other hand, so much of the training data comes from scraping the web that it feels wrong for them to do what they deny others the right to do.
On the third hand, the settlement Anthropic famously had to pay was for copyright infringement because they didn't actually have the right to even access some of the training data they used, so I can see how this might be compatible with the law.
On the fourth hand, I'm saying that as someone who absolutely isn't a lawyer and sometimes gets surprised when reading about copyright cases that sure sound like they ought to have been trademark cases given my limited understanding.
Companies that didn't give away all their content for free to anyone have actually denied AI companies from training on all their data without paying a fee. Reddit, Associated Press, etc.
For those who chose to give it all away, the ship has sailed, but they did choose to give it away for free to anyone so they can't complain that they succeeded.
How exactly other websites “gave it all away”? Also examples you list are websites putting some explicit rule eg in their robots.txt or filtering web crawlers. This is all a reaction to existing situation, so Reddit for sure has been scrapped before Reddit realised what was happening.
At what point did the authors whose books showed up in the ai companies training data sets “give it all away” as you claim?
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Robots don't even have four hands.
Unless you're selling cakes.
DMCA? Which is actually an American law enforced globally?
Enforcement ultimately happens through law and the legal system.
Downvoters: am I wrong or do you just not like what I'm saying?
I consider publicly enforced to be one where a government agency (e.g. the FDA), or prosecutors make judgements in what cases they file, make the arguments, etc.
Otherwise, it's just a standard case between two private parties resolved through our legal system; e.g. Linkedin vs Hi5.
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