Comment by vb-8448

4 days ago

Complaining about "bad charting" and posting a chart with y-axis that doesn't start at 0 is kinda weird.

to be fair, you don't need to start the y-axis at zero [0] but for some of the graphs where the lowest value is close to 0 the best practice is to do so

there's a fun Excel artifact where it auto-selects the 'relevant' range with no adjustment for how proportionally close to 0 the values are - a professional researcher publishing to a journal should know better (and should be ridiculed for not incorporating best practices) but for a personal blog by an SWE this really isn't the worst sin

[0] https://digitalblog.ons.gov.uk/2016/06/27/does-the-axis-have...

  • IMO in this case is mandatory to start from 0 because it alters the visual perception.

    Just look at the first chart: the distance between Fable 5.1 and Sol is <5%, but it looks like 25 or 30%.

    • I disagree. The y-axis is some arbitrary intelligence score that we use as a proxy for performance on whatever our specific task happens to be. So it doesn't matter if a model is a 0, 1, or 20 along this axis, they are all useless for the tasks I want.

      And as the complexity of your score increases, the cutoff goes up. We can quibble about where your personal cutoff is, but it aint 0.

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Not at all, as long as it's labeled as such. Coming from engineering/science, this is common.

What is bad is starting at 0, showing an indicator of a gap, and suddenly starting at 30 or whatever after the gap.

  • It gives you a wrong perspective, especially if you are distracted, on model capabilities: Fable 5.1 is not 30% better than Sol, but is the very first impression you get when you look at the first graph.

    If I'm not wrong OAI tried a similar trick when GPT5 was announced ... they have been criticized a lot.

    • > It gives you a wrong perspective, especially if you are distracted, on model capabilities

      Only if you aren't schooled in reading graphs. It's a given that you always have to look at the axes when interpreting a graph.

      How exactly would you zoom into a section of a graph and just show that section?

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Yeah, this doesn't include older models, some of which were already saturating many common tasks a year ago. I'll often add them to the AA graph for reference.