Comment by kenjackson

10 hours ago

They don't all suck equally.

Here's the order, from best to worst.

Amodei

Google

SamA

Zuck

Elon

You can ask 100 people and they'll all give you a different list. It's subjective.

I think a less personal ranking would be, as a business owner, which of those providers is more dependable? As in, you don't care about evil, just your stuff working. I think maybe OpenAI?

  • An open weight model is literally the only answer. Unless you're ALSO a tech giant, you are a bug to these companies. Every one of these companies will splatter you on their windshield, and destroy your business without even blinking. If the model is open-weight, anyone with GPUs can be your provider.

  • Google. They have experience operating at scale, and AI is a big enough focus that they won't wind it down. All the big providers are kinda crappy, but if you want reliability, Google is the best option.

    • Definitely not Google, countless horror stories and infamous for killing stuff. OpenAI is still serving GPT 3.5 turbo as far as I remember.

    • Google has experience working for themselves at scale. Your business should never rely on Google more than it is forced to. Even if it's not something they'll wind down, providing acceptable service to anyone is not on their agenda. GCP speaks for itself...

  • > You can ask 100 people and they'll all give you a different list.

    True. With 5 choices you need at least 126 people before you can guarantee that two lists are the same.

    • That's the upper limit, but with correlated data like this dupes can come in way sooner. I bet you don't have to ask ten people before you get a repeat with this topic.

SamA better than Zuck? Zuck was at least a kid when he made a lot of his bad decisions, and he seems to be getting much better. Sam is on the reverse trajectory.

  • I am 100% convinced Zuck is maybe better at masking now, but is exactly the same lizard who wrote

    >>> They "trust me" >>> Dumb fucks

  • Sam is on a delayed trajectory of power, but he surely was not great when he was young either. See: Aaron Swartz calling him a sociopath who could not be trusted, well over a decade ago.

They all suck beyond any tolerable threshold. Some of them are further away from the threshold. But at this point, how far each is from the tolerable threshold is besides any point and not worth arguing over. The least of five evils is still evil.

In my personal opinion (this will be controversial and feel free to disagree): Elon is the best.

* great contributions to many industries including spaceflight, electric cars, and self driving cars. It doesn't even matter if he is the technical mind behind these achievements or if he is just a buffoon that pretends to know the implementation details; the dude has a way of bringing together experts, having the overall vision, and managing them properly to ship amazing stuff.

* sane and reasonable takes on AI/LLM stuff. I can't really argue with "pursuit of truth" as the guiding principle. Grok talks normally without "Claudlish", has a balanced score on political bias unlike other models, has a low hallucination rate, is the best at dealing with latest news (unlike ChatGPT that refuses to believe new developments and gaslights the user), and they "never silently downgrade intelligence or fall back to other models."

In contrast, while Dario is doubtless a super smart pioneer in the AI space, his sanctimonious "We know what's good for you" attitude and extreme censorship is really offputting. The lengths to which he tries to ban or hamstring open models seems like an underhanded way to defeat competition. If he were to succeed, it would be a big setback to the thriving ecosystem of open models and hamper the development of the entire industry.

  • I'm upvoting you purely because I'm sick of comments being made in good faith getting an automatic downvote

    • Sorry for the wrongthink. Obviously I deserve my downvote, so I can never reach the 500 karma necessary to downvote others. I don't have the right opinions. (Site guidelines: don't comment on downvotes. Yeah, I know. But I'm so sick of this culture)

  • Grok? The model that was deliberately adjusted to not say that Elon Musk or Trump spread misinformation? No idea how people can actually believe that Musk is interested in the truth. https://techcrunch.com/2025/02/23/grok-3-appears-to-have-bri...

    • It seems that a rogue engineer poisoned the prompt in that instance. But the fact that they keep the system prompt open is nice. Generally I am biased towards favoring more freedom and openness rather than clamping it down in the name of safety.